Transcript 0:00 [gentle music] Hey, it's the Danger Nome Podcast, and I am your Tio Gomez, and we have a special guest with us today. 0:16 We have Brad Bingham of Bingham Built Bikes. Welcome to the show, Brad. Hi. Thanks for having me. So Brad is a, uh, is a frame builder and a, and a bike rider and, uh, an accomplished bike racer as well. Um, 0:35 you may remember him from, uh, from the USA Cycling National Championships. 0:45 Uh, we just recently had reposted a picture from, uh, of him flying through the air and, uh- Oh, yeah. 0:53 [laughs] And Brad has started his own brand, but why don't you tell us how your Bingham Built brand evolved and how that all happened? Yeah. Yeah. 1:09 So I guess it was, um, always a dream of mine to have my own shop at some point in my life and build bikes. You know, it wasn't always a vision to have it, uh, you know, be a namesake brand or, 1:28 you know, call the bikes Bingham Bikes, 'cause that just seemed like something that everybody did. Mm-hmm. Um, so I actually... 1:37 Like, originally when we spun into the Bingham Built brand, we were branding the down tubes as Built. Oh. So Built Bikes. But, um, but yeah, really the company is Bingham Built. 1:51 So it was always my dream to, you know, to have this shop and be able to do what I do kind of on my own terms. 2:01 Um, but I'm not sure if, if you know the, the long story, but, um, I started building bikes. I built my first couple bikes out in Oregon when I was young, just finishing high school. Wow. 2:16 And, um, ended up taking a United Bicycle Institute frame building course. Um, it was taught by Gary Helfrich, the founder of Merlin, or one of the founders. I know. And, uh, 2:31 Moots, Moots Cycles here in Steamboat Springs got my name through that class. I ended up out here, and I kinda never looked back. 2:41 Um, eventually years later after kind of burning out at Moots, I, um, took a year off and burned through all my savings basically, [laughs] 2:53 screwed around a bit, and Kent Erickson, the founder of Moots, called me one day and asked me if I wanted to kinda come back, get back on board with him. Mm-hmm. 3:03 Um, with the vision, the long-term vision being that he would be retiring fairly soon, and I would take over the business. So- Gotcha. Yeah. So that worked out really good, um, 3:19 'cause we're now, this is the last year, um, this is the last year that we'll have any... I don't know the right way to put it, but any, like, Erickson connection- Sure. Gotcha... um, legally, [laughs] 3:34 if that makes sense. Yeah. Um- So, so there was, like, a, a transition period where you were both working together, and now you're gonna be standing on your own, on your own, and- Yeah. Yeah... 3:45 Kent is fully out of it, right? Well, yeah. And he hasn't, he actually hasn't participated in construction or participated as an employee for going on probably four years now. Gotcha. 3:58 Um, so- And that's how I, that's how I found out about Bingham Built, was I went back to that article that I wrote, and I clicked on the link in the article that was supposed to go to 4:12 Erickson, and it pulled up your new brand. I was like, "Man, Brad must have started his own thing." And I noticed that, uh- Totally... you know, the super famous and highly, uh, 4:27 highly valued Erickson seat post was in your blend of products, so I was like, "Hmm, well, I wonder, I wonder how that all went down." So it was good to, and it was good to learn that, that you started out at Moots too. 4:40 Um- Mm-hmm... man, uh, Steamboat- Yeah... must be just, must have- [laughs]... so, so many titanium bikes there. It's true. It's true. There probably... It... 4:53 I'm sure there's some other hotspots, you know, hotspots around the country just like Steamboat, um, you know, smallish, a small radius right around the titanium frame building shops. Yeah. 5:06 Um, high concentration of ti bikes. But, but yeah, so it, it, it all worked out extremely well. You know, we had a great, um, I had a really good lead up to taking over the business from Kent. Mm-hmm. 5:24 And he was able to retire, and I think he's, I think he's quite happy [laughs] being retired, like most retired people are. Um, and, and now we're doing our thing. Um, and 5:39 this last October we were able to move into a brand new shop- Oh, cool... that's, uh, only about a quarter of a mile from the old, the old, uh, wood kiln downtown shop that Kent started Moots in, in 1981. 5:57 Wow. So yeah. Well, cool. And the thing that- Really cool... that, what I know about-The difference between Moots and Erickson was Erickson was a fully custom deal. Are you building fully custom bikes? Um- Yeah. 6:15 Yeah, absolutely. I've, I've continued in the same, in the same way that Kent was building bikes. 6:22 Um, you know, the, the one thing that's a little bit different between when Kent was doing his thing and, and me now is, um, you know, Kent, Kent always hired welders- Mm-hmm... 6:35 uh, to, to perform that function, and I've been welding for a really long time. And so n- now I basically do [laughs] everything, um, you know, design, miter, 6:49 weld, and then, um, I've got one em- one employee that does a lot of hand work, a lot of finish work and assembles the f- the, the complete bikes. But everything is totally custom for every client. 7:06 Right, and that differs from Moots, which is they're- Mm-hmm... they're, uh, and we're gonna talk primarily about fat bikes, but we'll, we'll delve into- Right... all the kind of bikes that you make. Sure, sure. 7:18 Um, but, you know, their, their fat bike is a kind of off the shelf. There's no custom geometry or anything. Mm-hmm. It's, it's that bike. Mm-hmm. Um, so- Yep... 7:28 and that's, that's a, that's a big difference when someone goes to make their dream bike to have something that is very personally built and built to how they wanna- Yeah... use that bike, you know? Yeah, definitely. 7:45 Definitely. And, you know, g- Moots, Moots was, um... 'Cause when I was there, um, we were one of the, one of the first folks building a quote, unquote fat bike. Mm-hmm. Um, 8:01 you- I'm sure you're familiar with Ray Molino. Oh, yeah. Okay. Um, you know, in, I think it was 1997 maybe, uh, at Interbike, 8:13 me and a, and a coworker from Moots stumbled upon Ray Molino's... He had a, he had a booth full of bikes there. Mm-hmm. And they were sand bikes. And- Right, 'cause Ray is from- I-... Arizona or New Mexico. 8:31 Yeah. Yeah, he's living, uh, outside of Las Cruces now. Gotcha. Um, I think somewhere not too far outside of Las Cruces. Um, 8:40 but he was showing off these bikes, and he was calling them sand bikes, and my, my coworker turned to me and he looked at me and he's like, "Those aren't sand bikes. Those are snow bikes." 8:51 And we bought some rims from him, and we bought some tires, and we came back to Moots and we built a, built a fat bike. Hm, cool. Yeah, and that's- And, uh-... 9:01 the, the story was Ray's, Ray had a cousin or a buddy down in Mexico, and that's where he had his- Yeah... 9:07 that had a, a, an auto body place [laughs] and they, they banged out some rims for him as prototypes and a, and the, the f- Totally... the fat bike or the, the soft terrain bike. Yeah. Whatever you wanna call it. 9:20 We call them fat bikes, um, much- Yep... much to the chagrin of many of the [laughs] pioneers- Right... that want omni terrain or, uh- Oh, gosh... uh- Yeah, yeah... 9:32 or all, you know, the, the all terrain bike is kind of back in the form of gravel bikes. [laughs] I guess, yeah. Um- I pref- I prefer fat bike. Yeah. Uh, the, you know- Yeah... 9:45 I'd, I'd like to keep it that way because, you know, we got that website thing [laughs] as the name. Yeah, right. [laughs] Yep. 9:53 But, but yeah, we were, we were building fat bikes that, that we were really using as snow bikes, um, in the winter around here. But I think Gordon, Gordon put together that first one, I think, in the 10:06 winter of like, probably it was the winter of '98, '99. Gotcha. That was the, that was the predecessor of their Frost Thai or something like that was the name of that bike. Yeah, yeah. 10:19 I des- I designed the, the Frost Thai- So-... way back when... in, in fat bike geometry, have, d- you have a fat bike. 10:29 What's, uh, are you more, a more traditional, um, I'm gonna drive my friend, uh, Adam crazy- Mm-hmm... by saying a 69, 73 bike. Um, you know, like traditional fat bike geometry, a very- Mm-hmm... 10:44 kind of a, a fast and light front end, not very slacked out. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, how is your fat bike in, in the realm of geometry? Is it more slacked out and, and longer, or is it more traditional? Yeah. 10:59 Well, because everyone's custom, I get to choose. Right. Um, so like for instance, I was actually gonna open up a drawing here. Um, I'd say most of mine kinda do tend to fall into that 68 kind of front end. Mm-hmm. 11:13 Gotcha. Um, I'd say that's pretty... A lot of them do fall into the 68, 68.5 front end. Gotcha. Or like 70. That's that baby steps toward, uh, toward, uh, slackness. I, I, I have test ridden- Mm-hmm... 11:31 a 66 degree, uh- Mm-hmm... fat bike, and man, crazy great in the dirt. Uh- Mm-hmm... front, front room snow, uh, I can't keep it going fast enough [laughs] for it to feel great all the time. 11:47 Um, so I, I just wondered- It is... I was more specifically asking about like what you're riding, your personal fat bike. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and mine is actually probably closer to, uh, probably pushing like, 12:02 I bet you with my rigid fork on there, it's pushing like 70 head angle. Gotcha. Um, and then I put a, like a five-inch blu- Bluehill on there.Right on... as well. And you- Encouraged... 12:16 do you exclusively work in Ti or do you do steel, Ti and- I do, yeah, 100%, uh- Cool... 100% Ti. 12:29 So I don't know how much you keep up with the, uh, with the Ti fat bike craze- [laughs]... but there are just a ton of them out there. Like- Oh, yeah, no doubt... it's, uh, I was surprised to see- Mm-hmm... 12:44 both the number of new Ti bikes that came out, uh, in the last, say, 18 months and the, the new steel bikes that are coming out. Um, it's kinda crazy. Mm-hmm. Um- Yeah... 12:58 so and you're one of the o- one of the very few though that are out there making full custom because most of the new ones that came out were, you know- Mm-hmm... 13:09 off the, off-the-shelf types, and of some of them coming in from overseas. Uh, so, uh, those don't even count, not like good old- Right... American-made ones. [laughs] Yeah, absolutely. And- Yeah... 13:25 what kind of tubing are you, uh, whose tubing are you using? So it's, it's a mix. I've got quite a lot of Sandvik material- Mm-hmm... on hand. Mm-hmm. Um, but, but the American Mills never made large diameter tubes. 13:44 Um, so if you want a large diameter down tube, then I'd, I typically go to Ti Jo and use an Asian down tube. Gotcha. 13:54 Um, but like for my seat tubes, seat stays, um, top tube, that stuff, I try to, I try to use a lot of American-made tubing. It just tends to, it does tend to be higher quality. And are you using the, the 325 or the 64? 14:13 Yeah. 64 is almost, almost went the way of the, has gone the way of the dinosaur. Gotcha. Okay. Um, so 325 is basically everything that you're gonna find readily available out there. 14:27 I have an old mountain bike that has, I think, the, the down tube is, or maybe the main triangle is 64, and the rest of it is- Mm-hmm... 325. Um- Yeah, definitely. They're out there... 14:36 that I bought when I was, when, when I was a really big boy and I wanted stiffness, you know. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It is still out there, but it's rare. It's pretty rare. Gotcha. 14:48 Um, but yeah, I, I still order, you know, I still order fairly regular- regularly from Sandvik, which has actually been renamed. 14:57 Um, it's now, uh, under their, their parent company, Alleima, which I believe is a Swedish company. Hmm. Um, but that tubing is still being manufactured in, uh, uh, Kennewick, Washington. Gotcha. 15:15 So and that's still- Well, Alleima sounds nice. It sounds [laughs] like a high blood pressure drug or something. [laughs] Yeah, true. Take Alleima- Yeah... for your Type 2 diabetes. But, uh- Yeah... yeah, that's cool. 15:28 Now go, now go through the list of, um, side effects. Oh, the side effects. [laughs] You don't wanna hear- [laughs] You don't wanna hear what my imagination would come up with for side effects. [laughs] Yeah. 15:38 I have- Arriving late from your ride... [laughs] uh, I'm kind of a dirty bird by nature, so it would, it would be all, all bad stuff to put on the podcast. 15:48 [laughs] Uh, we, uh, you know, we do have an explicit rating, so we can, we can swear on here and stuff. There you go. So, uh, cur- But yeah, and I, I... G- oh, go ahead. 15:59 I was gonna say d- like current trends, how do you feel about SRAM's new, uh, Eagle transmission? Hmm. I think that's [laughs] I think it's pretty, pretty awesome. Um, I think it's probably we're gonna... 16:15 The, the wheels are, the wheels of change are turning. Um, so I think we're gonna see m- more and more, obviously I'm sure you've probably seen some of those other, uh, 16:29 designs coming out from Shimano and such, showing off a similar, um, direct attachment. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It makes sense. Yeah. I mean, the hanger was always- It does... 16:39 uh, the weakest link on the bike, um, that thing hanging- Sure... down there. I thought it was the, I thought it was the rider. [laughs] Well, m- in my case for sure. 16:53 [laughs] Uh, but we're just talking about the bike, you know, the hardware, not the software. Sure, sure. [laughs] Sure. Yep. Or in the drivetrain- Yeah, I know... it was the weakest link, for sure. Yeah. 17:04 Yeah, and I think, I, I t- of course, and I think that over the past few years, um, you know, some, some folks designing dropouts have even tried to, tried to beef up the hangers to make them not the weak link. Right. 17:16 Yeah. Um, and, and that has worked out pretty well, but now we see the next evolution, uh, being something like that, l- like that SRAM transmission, and I think it's gonna be, uh, it's here to stay, of course. Yeah. 17:31 Yeah, yeah. I mean, bikes are already being- It's hard to believe... being built for that, um- Yeah... and it's, uh- Totally... in 10 years- So it, it-... you won't even know what a derailleur hanger was. 17:44 It'll be like that front- Oh, man... it'll be like that front derailleur mount. Although people- Yeah... people get so mad when I say, "[laughs] Your kids won't even know what these are for." Yeah. 17:56 And they're like- Yeah... "Well, that shouldn't go away." [laughs] It's gonna go away, dude. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a long time since I've put a front derailleur on a mountain bike. Yeah. 18:07 I still, I still have one of, one of, one of my Legacy fat bikes has a, has a direct mount kinda deal for, for- Yeah... the, uh, front derailleur. And, uh- Yeah... you know, those just aren't- Yep... 18:20 gonna happen anymore.'Cause one buys. Where would you put your dropper [laughs] where would you put your dropper trigger if you had a front derailleur? Totally. You know? And- Totally. Uh. People get crazy with it. Yeah. 18:33 Like, why do you need a dropper on a rigid bike? Mm. Mm. 'Cause lowering your center of gravity is why Indy cars are a quarter of an inch off the ground. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 18:46 And, and the fat bikes are a prime example of where a dropper is super nice. Yeah. Um- In deep snow they're handy. Um. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 18:56 And 'cause I, I tend to be someone who I, I always climb, climb, climb, climb, and then do a huge descent, and so I, I almost always want my seat down. Right, yeah. You know, when I'm done climbing. Yeah. So. 19:10 And d- and as I say, droppers replace, uh, d- will make you brake so much less going into a corner. When I'm gonna go into a corner going downhill- Mm-hmm... I used to brake and then 19:27 try and accelerate out of the apex, whereas now I can just drop, not brake, and just rail that corner at speed. Right. Just enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah. It's good stuff. Yeah. So, so really it's a anti brake bump device. 19:44 [laughs] That's, that's, I think that's how we have to sell it to the, to the people who haven't discovered it yet. Um- Right... and I would say- Yeah, I- Man, it... 19:56 If I get a bike that doesn't have a dropper for testing, I'll ride it stock for a while, but 20:02 then the whole time all of my dropper instincts, my thumb's going, "Well, here's where I should drop the seat [laughs] and not brake." And so I- Mm-hmm... I just usually put one on there 'cause now I'm used to it. Yeah. 20:15 And my thumb- Yeah... otherwise just twitches away. So. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's pretty cool. I mean, it's fun to see everything evolve for sure. 20:26 And, and obviously droppers have been a while, but y- you know, watching it finally o- you know, totally on board with the World Cup racing cross country, that, uh, if it's there, then it's, it's finally made it. 20:41 [laughs] Yeah. And the fact that, that they're so much more reliable now. Mm-hmm. 'Cause they used to be- Oh, yeah... kinda like a Bic lighter. 20:49 It'd be, you'd get one and it'd be like, oh, eight months it's starting to act up and, you know- Yeah... you just get a new one. But now I've had droppers that have lasted two winters with no problems. Mm-hmm. 21:03 And now they have ones that have th- the ability to, uh, bleed the cartridge and it's- Mm-hmm... and they even, Wolf Tooth has one that every time that you drop it all the way it automatically bleeds the cartridge, so 21:20 pretty slick stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Those engineers, they're always thinking. Indeed. [laughs] So, uh- Yeah... you obviously make other bikes than the, uh, than the fat bike. 21:36 Why don't you run us through, like, a, a little bit of, of your product line. What, like, what's in your build queue now that you're excited about? Yeah. So yeah, I do offer... 21:46 I mean, I, I, I kinda offer everything, um, which is a little bit a result of having worked with Kent. So, um, you know, he was a fan of tandems. Mm-hmm. 21:59 So I even do, like I've got a tandem I'm building in May, just looking at my schedule here. Um, I don't do too many tandems at all, but they're, they're wildly challenging, so it's kinda... 22:12 You know, they're, they're fun and they're your worst enemy. How about fat tandems? [laughs] I, uh, I, I did a fat tandem when, uh, when I was working with Kent. Wow. 22:23 But, uh, most of the, the mountain style tandems that I have done have all been, like, max like 29 plus. Gotcha. Um- Very cool. Yeah. 22:36 But I do offer- You have to make an adventure or, or, or gravel bike 'cause that's the- Oh, yeah... hot ticket right now. Yeah. Most definitely. Yeah. That's certainly what is keeping me the most busy. 22:49 Um, but hardtail mountain bikes- Mm-hmm... you know, I've got a couple of 29ers coming up real soon, a 27.5 hardtail. 22:58 Um, road, I still build some beautiful road bikes which are in, are more popular than [laughs] I would've even imagined, you know, continuing to be. Right on. 23:11 Um- Are you seeing the, the all road influence where you're able to get 35s or 38s in there? Yeah. Yeah. But for most folks it, you know, for most folks an all road is really, like, why bother? 23:27 I mean, let's just give you a bike that can handle 45s. Yeah. Yeah. And, and it's still gonna be... It can still, it can still be that all road bike for you. If you, if you only wanna run 35s on it, that's great, but 23:40 most of my, quote unquote, all road gravel bikes fit up to a 45. Gotcha. Um, depending on drivetrain selection. But, um, you know, yeah, so- Do any Rond-... road bikes and then-... Rondellering bikes? 23:57 I'm sure I murdered the pronsta- [laughs] pronunciation of that. [laughs] Rondelle. Yeah. I mean, you know, we don't... Because I don't build that many bikes, I'm only doing about 75 a year right now. Mm-hmm. 24:11 Wow, you're cranking out- Um-... 75 bikes and you're the, you're the main fabricator. That's- Mm-hmm. [laughs] Well, that's- Yeah... that's three, three bikes a month or something. Uh, no. No. No, that's- No, no... 24:23 that's six bikes a monthTwo bikes, uh, basically like one and a half, two bikes a week or something like that. Wow. What is that? Y- yeah. Yeah. Um, the randonnée style, not a whole lot of those. 24:37 Um, we're doing one for a, uh, a, a good buddy of my employees right now, and that's a, like a 700 by 50 millimeter tire, kind of very upright- Mm-hmm... tiny little climbing gears touring bike. So 24:54 that'll be kind of cool. Um, but definitely get, uh, get interest from folks that are like, uh, uh, ultra endurance racers. Mm-hmm. 25:06 Um, so that's, that's kind of fun doing one for a guy in the UK coming up here real soon. Um, we do tend to be pretty international. Um, a few bikes for folks all over the world- So-... all year long... 25:20 for events like Great Divide Race and that sort of thing? Mm, this... Yeah. It de- it depends. There's, there's a lot of European like, um, kind of all road endurance races- Mm-hmm... that are going on. 25:35 Uh, they can be anywhere from like 600 miles to like 2,200 miles long. Um, so I've got a, some clients that do that kind of stuff. Tour Divide bikes for sure- Mm-hmm... 25:49 um, come, come up here and there, but they're, those are tough bikes as well. They've just got tons of weld-ons and everybody wants all the, you know, all the special stuff in, in all the special places. Right on. 26:04 I've, I've- Yeah... kind of like one last thing and we're gonna s- circle back to fat bikes is Steamboat. Uh-huh. I've been there. I've ridden there. Yeah. I was there in the summer. Never- Yeah... 26:16 uh, uh, and I've been there skiing way back in the last- Yeah... century. Uh, and kind of Steamboat is known for that, for like really powdery snow. Right. So how fat can your fat bikes go? Can you, can you- So-... 26:32 make a bike that will run a, uh, a God help us V snowshoe- 2XL... 2XL? Yes. Yep. So the, the bike I'm riding right now will clear a 2XL. Mm-hmm. Um, 26:50 I'm not a... I, I rode it last year, the 2XLs. Mm-hmm. Um, but if I'm gonna ride that tire again, I'm gonna build another frame that's got a 217 rear axle. Yeah. Um, you know? 27:06 That's, that's my only beef with it, um, because I can build a bike to clear a 2XL with a narrower Q factor- Mm-hmm... but then the chain just rubs the tire. Yeah. Either you have to offset the- Mm-hmm... 27:24 you have to dish the wheel or, or- Yeah... limit it to just those, you know, you, you either lose... It's b- when you're running that tire, you're not gonna be running that 11 tooth very, very much so- No. 27:39 No, you're not. Well, that's cool to know. No. Uh, I'll be the first one to say is like that, that tire, I want that tire... I want the flotation of that tire in 1,700 grams. It needs to lose some weight for me. Right. 27:53 It just, it just feels too much. Yeah. It's too much. It's too... So we need to, we need to- There's-... come up with some new technology, new tire technology- There, yeah... to make- Yeah. 28:05 There's a lot of- People like... bad about that tire. Um, but it's pretty cool [laughs] having that thing on like a 105 rim. Yeah, or a 135. You know? Um- No. Sure. I mean- 28:18 And, uh- But- I've, I've been recording, so, uh, I have a new podcast coming out where we talk about the fattest of the fat, and, uh, we, we brought up the, the specter of six-inch tires, 24 by six inch tires. 28:34 Oh my goodness. [laughs] Uh- Always bigger. So, you know, that'll- Al- always fatter... that'll be the, that'll be the episode that, uh, that, uh, comes out before one before your show. So, um- Gotcha. Gotcha. 28:52 Um, yeah. And, you know, what I... Uh, a- and as I'm sure you know, the benefit of that gigantic tire is really, it just, it keeps you on the trail. 29:06 It, like, we ride a, quite a bit of, quite a bit of single track- Mm-hmm... that falls off on the edges. Mm-hmm. And I find that when I'm riding that like 2XL or just the, the biggest things I've got on, 29:21 you get that e- extra split second to kind of correct yourself back on trail. I really love that feeling. Yeah. One of my, one of my Alaskan friends, uh, had said it's not, uh, it's... 29:40 That those tires in that situation is like it, if you, if it keeps you riding when things- Mm-hmm... get slow- Yes... 29:50 instead of hike-a-biking, if, if a tire or a, or a, a wheel situation can keep you pedaling instead of hike-a-biking. So the, the saying goes like, when, when things get slow, um, that... 30:07 I, I can't remember the quote, but you follow what I'm saying. It's like it is a low gear crawling, snow crawling instead of rock crawling, you know? Um- Mm-hmm... and I, I- Oh, yeah... people are hungry for it. 30:21 I, I know we have readers that every time I, uh, I besmirch the 2XL, they're like, "Yeah, that's the best tire ever. I want bigger. I want bigger, bigger." Yeah. 30:32 "Give me 29 by six."And I think that, that I, I-- that never made sense to me, but the twenty-four by six kind of- Mm-hmm... makes sense in my mind because the similar outer dimension, but just more- Right... 30:49 rubber and less wheel. So- Oh, man... I've yet to see it. That'll be wild. It's purely kinda rumor right now. [laughs] Yeah. But- Yeah, it's a lot of, lot of investment for someone... 31:01 I, I, I did, you know, share some messages with a, uh, with an overseas tire company, uh, on April- Mm-hmm... 31:08 Fools' Day where I was like they, they had- [laughs] They had posted some pictures of, of not black tires, but like red tires and green tires and colored tires. 31:18 Uh, and I was like, "Hey, you making any of those twenty-four by sixes?" And they replied and said, "Oh yeah, twenty-four by six point, 6.2 are in production currently." I was like, "Woo!" Wow. All right. Wow. Crazy. 31:33 Investigative journalist. Yeah. Dang. [laughs] Asked that- That's pretty funny... silly question and, uh, maybe they're just telling me what I want, what they think I wanna hear, but I was like- Yeah... damn. Yeah. 31:46 When can I get those- Yeah, you-... was my next a- question, and they didn't answer. So. Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Who knows what- Yeah, the, the height-... the future holds... 31:56 the height of those two XLs does kind of start to bum me out. Um, but- Yeah, even-... they work... twenty-seven point five by four point five, the really biggest, like, cake eaters- Mm-hmm... 32:10 uh, they are, they are taller, which will keep you going on the trail longer and deeper, but it takes a bit more concentration and skill to keep it going. Mm-hmm. Um- Mm-hmm... 32:27 I've, I've ridden a- all of those wheel sizes and, uh, it's, uh, right now for, for the soft stuff, I still say hunt my 100 millimeter wide head single layer 32:44 rims with, with Johnny Fives, which is the same size- Mm-hmm... as a ButterLuu. So even those, those rims with ButterLuu are what works for me. But I don't ride in very dry snow at all. You know, most of my snow- 33:00 Mm-hmm... is, is Midwest snow, so it's, it's a lot wetter, so. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Well, well- Yeah... I, I really appreciate you coming on the show. 33:14 We'll, we'll have, uh, we'll have links in the show notes to your website, um, if anybody wants to, uh, check it out- Great... and, uh, order a dang bike. Yeah. 33:28 Yeah, I've got a couple of, uh, got a couple of fat bikes in the queue, um, for people in this area, so they're actually not gonna get built until probably August or even September. 33:42 Uh, they want 'em for the, for the snow season. And the best, the best titanium seat post, rigid seat post you will ever own is now- Yeah. Well, and have you-- did you see the update? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 33:59 So- The, uh, so it's now the Bingham Built Sweet Post. Um, quite a bit different head design than the old Erickson Sweet Post. Well, cool. Really appreciate- Yeah... your time today, Brad. Keep on- Yeah, you got it... 34:13 keep up the good work. And, uh, maybe we'll cross paths someday again. Sounds good. Check us out on Instagram at fatbikes.com. All right. Take care. Gotcha. Thanks. Till then. Bye. Till then. 34:27 [upbeat music]
