Transcript 0:02 It's the Dose of Fat podcast for September two thousand and nineteen. This is show one forty-nine. 0:11 [ on-hold music] Filling in for Leah Rollins is the sleek and powerful Dr. Patty Glines Kotecki. 0:28 [laughs] Thank you for having me. Uh, we welcome back the host of the Burning Bike podcast and close personal friend of Aaron Sovereign, the Spinner Ryerson. [laughs] That's Sov's cousin, Aaron. That's it. [laughs] Yes. 0:45 That Aaron Sovereign. [laughs] I'll call that next time. Uh, [laughs] and you may remember him from his role as Pops Racer in the ultra-violent cartoon Speed Racer, the founder of Fat Bike Radio, T.O. Gomez. 0:58 Bienvenidos, amigos. It's my pleasure to introduce the chief sorcerer at Revolution Cycles in Madison, Wisconsin, the one and only Jeff Fitzgerald. Welcome. And, and, uh, my name is Jeff Fitzgerald, exactly. 1:14 [laughs] [laughs] I think there must be something in the, uh, atmosphere here because I'm having, uh... I had a pronunciation, uh, anomaly there too. Oh. Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, that goes with reading scripts. 1:28 [laughs] This whole thing is scripted. [laughs] Yeah. The entire opinion, all opinions are Gomez's, they're just coming out of our mouths. [laughs] That's how this works. This is- I didn't know I felt that way. 1:38 [laughs] It's my power trip. [laughs] Yeah. Talk like a dog for me. [laughs] I'm just curious what stories you know about me and Mo- Motab or, or my, my story about Motab. I thought it was Moab. 1:49 I actually just deleted the T there, so. I, I, you know, I, I've, I've heard the songs, the-- I've read the poetry. Okay. Uh, I have-- I, I know people. Okay. [laughs] Have you Motabbed? Never. Never. 2:05 I haven't Motabbed either. We started a new one, construction course races. We're on- Is it getting harder because construction projects are finishing finally around Madison? Uh, there's still plenty to use- Okay... 2:15 but, uh, we're at, uh, race number two. Ah. And just really quick, it's a monthly time trial in an abandoned building. Yes. Yep. And whoever wins when the music finishes or something? 2:26 Last Sunday of the month is twenty-four Motab, and, uh, yeah, the building is not yet totally demolished, so it's still on Milwaukee Street by Woodman's. Okay. So you can get a good deal on, uh, dill pickle chips. 2:40 You can. [laughs] Great. And ride your bike around for- [laughs]... in a, in a circle for twenty-four minutes. Yes. And-- See, what-- The, the thing that I know- While being serenaded by music, it's pretty amazing... 2:52 and roman candles and, and bottle rockets and modern sc- modern sculpture being made. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. That sounds like it. Yep. So- Last Sunday of the month... the thing- Seven PM. Six thirty. Seven PM. 3:09 [laughs] The thing that, that, that I know is that you either have never won or there was a great drought of time, many, many battles fought. The, the- I'm not dead yet. 3:23 Y- yep, well, the truth is, individually, I've never won, um, a twenty-four Motab in fifteen years. What does, uh, Motab stand for? [laughs] Uh, twenty-four minutes of the abandoned building. [laughs] Mm. Okay. 3:40 Okay, that makes more sense. I totally get it now. I never asked. [laughs] Yeah. I've always-- [laughs] Gomez is doing the math. Yeah. [laughs] I, I was trying to figure it out, but- Inside the abandoned building... 3:50 I give up. [laughs] Yeah. There was a-- We had one, um, four-person team race, and we raced it on sixteen-inch bikes, and so we divided up the amount of people into teams, and then we had- Oh, yeah... 4:03 four bikes, and, uh, I have the trophy for that. Yes. So- Oh, awesome. Is it in here? Yeah, it is. It's a shot glass over there on the shelf over there in the-- by all of our books. We do have books. 4:14 We-- Some, some of my employees know how to read. [laughs] So does DeJohn still make trophies for Motab? Sadly, no. Uh, Colin Miller is the, the leader, ringleader putting the music together and- Mm-hmm... 4:28 creating the trophies, so. So does he have a- But Colin's, Colin's got a different style, but his trophies are pretty compatible, so. Does he have a title? Is he, like, Imperial Wizard of the Twenty-Four Hours of Motab? 4:38 That would be, that would be weird because, uh, that's... [laughs] We're gonna have to edit that one out. Yeah. [laughs] Oh, my God. Yeah. 4:45 No one, [laughs] no one has, uh, has taken on any significant leadership, um, in, in any nor decreed leader or supreme, you know, ultimate champion or anything like that, so. All right. So all right. 5:01 [laughs] I don't know what-- I, I don't know what to, I don't know what to, to call him then. Uh, just Colin probably. Yeah, Colin. 5:08 We always called him Crazy Colin 'cause for a while there we had a whole litany of Colins- Yes... and he was the craziest. Yeah, he really was. I've heard about his uncle's hot rod he brought up to one of the tests. 5:18 Oh, yes. [laughs] Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. That was a time period. Talk about things that should be legendary on this, this discussion tonight is talking about Gnome Fest, you know? Oh, yeah. No kidding. 5:28 So you just did the-- It was justThe Intergalactic Surly Day Yep Surly's twenty-first birthday Yep They had their first drink. And you, you had some sort of a shindig here at, at Your Finest Hour, correct? Yeah. 5:43 One, one of the things that I was really hoping for when the ten-day forecast reported on ten days of solid, amazing weather and then two days of extreme torrential downpour [laughs] on both Saturday and Sunday, and then including Friday and Thursday, was, um, you know, really wanted to do something outside of the shop. 6:00 So we ended up making the best of it, and we had people come from out of town, some Milwaukee people Mm-hmm... even those, those people out of town over in Middleton. So we had some West Side people [laughs] come over. 6:09 Nice. Mm-hmm. Um, but, you know, we just sat around and all shared stories of cycling. And so it was overall a really fantastic event. I, I, like I said, I just kinda wanted to get out of the shop, and so we did. 6:20 We went out back and we sat on Spinner's bench that he made me years ago, which is fantastic. And, you know- Still up there? It didn't- Yeah. No, it hasn't rotted away. It does need to be coated. 6:29 I have thought of that, so. You're gonna paint that thing for the last, like, six years. Yeah. I got time [laughs]. [laughs] I got time, you know? You got time. You got time to do it. 6:36 One of the things I've got is a lot of time. Um, but we sat outside in the drizzle, and the tree protected us from all the rain, and so it was quite, quite fine. 6:44 We drank some, uh, twelve-year-old, uh, scotch and, and 10-year-old scotch and ordered a 30-inch pizza and killed a- Oh, I see... killed a couple cases of beer. Where'd you get that? 6:55 Rossi's in Monona sells the, the only one that, that makes a 30-inch pizza around here. Oh, I saw pictures. That looks so awesome. Oh, it's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. 7:04 Were you Snapchatting before while, while Jeff was, was singing his song? No, I was looking up stuff to talk about in a minute. 7:11 [laughs] I mean, I used to have a computer in front of me so I can- It's his crack research staff... so I can spew facts once in a while. Yeah. 7:18 So the Intergalactic Day was, was successful, and the night before, we took a small group of friends and went out and went to the campgrounds and, and got to at least camp on Friday night together with a small group, and that was really quite fun. 7:31 I think we got to Lake Mills after five hours of riding, so it was a very successful 27-mile ride. We're kind of equal distance from that camp, from that campground. Oh. I live just on the east side. 7:41 I live 10 miles east of that campground. Oh, it's fantastic. Uh, I love that place. Yeah. It's really magical. The oaks are just outstanding. It's super beautiful. Do, do you always go to site number six? Yes. Yeah. 7:53 We, we do our best to reserve it. [laughs] This year we had to... Someone was- That's kind of- Yes... kind of crazy. All my friends- Yeah... go there and camp, and all of us have always only ever gone to site number six. 8:05 Yeah. This... Someone had, had reserved five, so I got six, seven, and eight, um, for Saturday night, but, uh, we were gonna group it, have everything- So you would have- Yeah, get away from that camp number five, so. 8:15 Oh, so you would have site number 666. [laughs] Yeah. And that's, that's my theory of why all my friends choose that site is because we're all marked by the devil shape. 8:28 It's my- [laughs] It's in my phone number, I guess, so. Just kidding. [laughs] Uh, and then, and then Thursday night we did bowling with Aaron from Surly, so we had a, a really great bowl-a-thon on Thursday, so. 8:40 I just heard from Aaron today. We traded some emails. Mm-hmm. He's coming to our November 2nd event, which we'll talk about later. That's... Yeah, yeah. That's fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's, he's dropping you. 8:51 He's dropping me? He's dropping the SingleSpeed USA. He's dropping in? Oh. For some reason, he can't go to Austin, so he's going to the Beach Funduro. Yes. But we'll talk about that in a bit. Okay. 9:03 You lick your wounds over there. We should have him wrestle for him. [laughs] No. Oh. [laughs] I'll take pictures of that. Yeah, dude, we now- Oh. Now Spinner weighs more than me. I do. Yeah. 9:16 Well, you weigh less than Spinner. That's- Yeah. I've gained- Don't act like I've gained weight. [laughs] No, no, no. [laughs] You, you have lost weight. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [laughs] However you wanna say it. 9:26 [laughs] We're, we're still in the same weight class, so. [laughs] I think he looks fantastic. He does. He does. He looks super hot. He's gotta buy all new- Amazing... his Spandex doesn't even fit. 9:33 He's gotta buy new Spandex. I have to buy new Spandex. I always said that- How much weight do you have to lose that w- that your Spandex doesn't fit? I think about- Oh... 9:39 50 pounds [laughs] was when I was like, "Oh, these aren't working." [laughs] But they probably look better on you now that they're a little baggy, right? Yeah. Well, I never actually wear it on the outside of anything. 9:51 Oh. I always wear the courtesy shorts. Yet. [laughs] It's coming. Well- He's close enough. [laughs] Did you see that... What was that movie when- Mm-hmm... 9:58 when Eddie Murphy lost all the weight, and then he was wearing Spandex, and he's in the mirror? I can see you doing that. [laughs] Coming into the bike shop, "Do you have a dressing room and a mirror? 10:06 Because I need to try this on." [laughs] No? Never happening. Okay. No, it's just- Ever... that's, like, so, so dead on. No. [laughs] I, I guess I better find a Revolution Cycles cyclocross skin suit to wear- Hey... 10:21 to this- Yes... to this, uh, meeting. All right. Uh-huh. Yeah, buddy. Yes, yes. Mm-hmm. So, uh, weren't you gonna talk about something you had mentioned when we were, when we were, when we were, uh- Yeah. So when I-... 10:32 when you were-... I missed the word... Well, you know, Motab has got a T in it, and Moab doesn't. And, uh, I'd, I had just had a pretty fun and, and, uh, you know, nice experience out in Moab. 10:43 I was actually snowed on at night. Uh, we camped- Nice... at a 4,000 elevation, or state, uh, Dead Horse State Park, and it was at 4,000 feet, and Moab is at 2,000 feet. Mm-hmm. And it snowed on us. Cool. 10:56 So it snowed- Hmm... uh, nearly six inches and turned the tent into an igloo, igloo. So the night before was probably 40 mile an hour winds. I'm wondering if we were gonna still be on this plateau by morning. Wow. 11:07 And then woke up to not being cold anymore and not, you know, worried about the wind and realizing that it was encapsulated in snow. [laughs] Then you drove down to Moab, and it was back to 75 degrees and sunny. 11:21 It was really quite a remarkable experience. Awesome. That's cool. When was that? Recently? Mm. What- Eight, eight years ago, I'd say. Oh, okay. Oh, okay.I did something similar two years ago. 11:31 We stayed in a cabin at the top of Enchilada. Yep, yep. And it was snowy up there, and we rode into town, a four-hour descent. It's- It was incredible... 11:38 I think the weather has that kind of dynamic range there, for sure. Yeah. 11:42 So it didn't-- No one seemed weirded out by it except for us, you know, 75 and, you know, six inches of snow and a half an hour time change or something. Right. It was like, "Uh, what?" Yeah. That's cool. It's cool. 11:56 Western AF, that's what you call that. Western. Yes, you do. Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [laughs] Well, I think that, I think that you should, you should, uh, tell the folks about the shop a bit. Sure. 12:10 You know, the, the really-- the-- One of the remarkable things is I forget how fast time flies, and, uh, I just kinda like to say it's exciting, you know, turning into my twentieth year. Wow. 12:20 You know, we start up the twenty-first year- Wow. Awesome... in 2020, so I'm pretty excited about that endeavor. 12:25 Um, and The Revolution has gone through many evolutions, and so here we are, you know, doing really well with Surly and All-City as our, our bike lines and, um, just starting to evolve into, uh, selling lots of road bikes. 12:38 So, you know, we used to be known as the fat bike store, and, um, now that Wisconsin, or, well, I should say our southern Wisconsin winters are a bust, that, uh, you know, fat bikes have dwindled, but our summer, you know, gravel or, you know, kind of on all, all road- Right... 12:54 uh, market of road bikes has really grown, and it's been, been very exciting and fun to watch. 12:59 And then recently we're starting to experience a lot more commuting traffic with e-bikes, and n-now we've got the foibles and follies of trying to figure out how to service e-bikes, including we need a hydraulic stand. 13:11 We- Oh, yeah... we just-- They're, they're a bear to pick up and, and, and- Mm... set down. Mm-hmm. And eventually it's, it's gonna cost, you know, cause someone some problems longer, so. Sure. Oh, that's interesting. 13:22 But, uh, yeah. It's, it's, it's been, you know, it's been a really, really fast. 13:26 Like, uh, would've thought e-bikes would've taken a little bit longer to catch on, and now I would probably say that either the conversation about them or a phone call or just the frequency is, you know, more than one in five, and I feel like it's getting down to one in three pretty soon here, so. 13:41 I was just out on the Washington coast, and the only bike shop in town was an e-bike and e-scooter shop that rented no pedal, throttle-pushing, big, yellow fat bikes that people were out on the beach and riding around, zipping around on. 14:00 Uh, it w- you know, that's- Mm-hmm... that's, that's the wave of the future. You know, here we were pedaling our, our bikes around. Do you think-- We had a big conversation on this on my last podcast. 14:11 [laughs] Um, is it cyclists switching to e-bikes, or is it somebody who's never rode before coming in and buying, starting out an e-bike? 14:18 It-- The, the conversation that mostly we're having are definitely new cyclists getting involved. 14:24 So their first bike is a- Yeah, they're just-- They're-- They, they r- or they've, you know, they've experienced bicycling but never really bicycle commuting, so it's-- I think the explosion is in the commuting market and just transportation market. 14:34 Um, but cyclists are switching over. There's a lot of physicality, just aging cyclists who have limited range, and so they're going over to e-bikes as well. 14:44 And our, our customer base, it's still, it's not as, you know, it's definitely not that high of a number. There's not one in-- We're not selling e-bikes yet. We haven't sold a single one. Oh, really? I-- Yeah. 14:53 [laughs] It's very sad. Do you have them on the floor? We, we just sent it back to, uh, QBP today. Mm-hmm. So they just took it away. 14:59 We had it for about six months, and I'm the only one who used it, and I went home to recover our cats. So that was how I needed to do a short errand quickly. Mm-hmm. 15:08 But, um, yeah, it's, uh, the Big Easy would be something that would be a good fit for us. Um, but, you know, we're just still, we're still kinda waiting for that, that, you know, if there's anything else. 15:18 And I, I don't know if there's a really a fit down the line with Q and steel e-bikes is kinda silly thing to try and market or like, "We're into steel e-bikes." Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I don't think that's a, that's a market. 15:30 [laughs] Right. What should it be? I don't know. [laughs] I have no idea. Aluminum? They're all- Carbon? What are you talking about? I think they're all alum- I don't know. 15:37 Like, uh, it's just not-- For me, it's like I'm just, I'm still trying to wrap my hands, you know, wrap my hands, uh, hands around what I would like to do. 15:44 I just mostly just wanna make certain that they're included, and they just feel like they can come in here and get service 'cause it's a business and be a sad shame to ask people to go away 'cause they have an e-bike, but- I mean, you like money? 15:57 Money? Yeah. Good. And pe- and people would pay money for those bikes? [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, you know, it's, it's mostly just servicing them, and it's pretty complex. 16:04 We've already had a couple just even the simple flat tires can take an hour, and, you know, that's, that's something you-- it's really hard to predict. Yeah. 16:11 They walk in, and you're like, "Okay, this is gonna be heavy to put in a stand," but an hour to unbolt the wheel and all the apparatus around it, like- Yeah. Oh, and the motor and everything. Oh, wow. 16:20 [laughs] Just everything. Yeah, you're just like- You're a bike mechanic and an electrician. Yep. Yeah. You're gonna have to be all that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 16:26 So, but yeah, the, the, the-- You know, so it's not necessarily gonna be a focus change for the shop. 16:31 I mean, I think really just the, the, the-- We're-- It's, it's really exciting selling nicer and nicer bikes, so they're just-- Like, people are really interested in buying their kinda fancy bikes and just really like to get into cycling. 16:44 So I, I'm-- That's still really inspiring for me, so. Cool. And I like how you said it's a difference. 16:49 I haven't heard it said that way before, where it's not, like, entertainment or recreation, it's transportation and commuting. Yeah. 16:58 Which I don't know why, but I became a big defender of e-bikes in my last, [laughs] last podcast, which I did not expect to do. But it's like I see the market for it. Yeah. And I see that it's coming. 17:07 Well, the young lady that was really, really against the e-bikes had never ridden one, so- And she had drank a lot. [laughs] And she had drank a lot, so- Before that started. Wow. Mm. 17:17 Yeah, they're actually really, really fun. I just don't want one- Mm-hmm... 'cause I would just use it poorly, I think. Yeah. Just use it for everything. Yeah. And I, I like biking. Mm-hmm. 17:26 I like to still bike, and it's, you know, it's, it's a good-- It's good for my health and my mind, so. I test rode one at the Wolfman a couple years ago. Yeah. They're, um, e-mountain bikes are really fun. They are fun. 17:37 Yeah. Yeah, but I think most people are scared of if you were racing in the Wolfman and somebody passed you on an e-bike, how would you feel? I would be pissed. Yes. [laughs] I would be very pissed. 17:46 That's where it becomes- I mean, it just, it needs to be its own category, like- Yeah... fat bikes or- Super, yeah... Clydesdales or something. If it was its own category, then I don't care. 17:55 I had somebody ask me if they could race them in this, in the Block House race coming up.And what was your answer? Did not respond. [laughs] Oh. I would-- It's-- No, you just have to say no. 18:03 Do you have an e-bike category? No, we have a d-bike category. Right. For, 'cause, uh- You can ride your dog. Right. [laughs] Ride with your dog. You can do bike joring. Or wh-what do you call it? 18:12 Is that bike joring when the dog pulls you? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's what that would be called. Bike joring? They actually have some events in Wisconsin for bike joring. Well, it's, yeah, skiing. On, on a bicycle. 18:21 Skis, dog pulling. Like ski joring. Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah. And Gomez has bears for dogs. Mm-hmm. Well, I guess you're down to one, but, uh, he would-- he'd be a bike jorer. Didn't he pull you before? I thought I saw a video. 18:31 My dog is so precious, I don't think. I think I would probably be pulling him. [laughs] Hmm. Cowboy. He, he actually rides in the UTV. He's got goggles now. I saw that. And we, we have a- Oh, I saw that picture... 18:45 we have a new, we have a new harness for him. I made, I made, I cut up a cardboard box, so he has, like, a platform to sit on now. He looks pretty good in that. Yeah? Sweet. Yeah. Cool. Nice. Cool. 18:57 So that's Revolution Cycles in Madison, Wisconsin. And, uh- Didn't he win, uh, best bike shop in Madison a couple times? Yeah, three years in a row now. Yeah. Did he win it this year too? Oh, awesome. Yeah, yeah, we did. 19:08 Oh, congratulations. We did it this year. That's great. Yeah, best, best bike repair shop and best bicycle shop for Madison. And that is in a very high end. That's like-- That's a, a city- There's a lot of shops there... 19:17 where there are a lot of shops that have been there- Yeah. Yeah... a long time. Absolutely. So congratulations- Thank you... on that. That's pretty cool. Mm-hmm. 19:24 So let's take a little break, and when we come back, we have Patty Glynn's Kotecki who's going to talk about grommets. OPK, other people's kids. [laughs] Great. [laughs] [reggae music] So I heard you need a fat bike. 19:40 Come to Zion Cyclery in Zion, Illinois. We have all brands: Trek, Borealis, Salsa, Felt, Surly, and more. Yo, we have all the cold weather gears by Forty Five North and Bundfiger. 19:55 Keep those fingers and toes nice and toasty. We fix bikes also. So you have any problem, brakes, gears, suspension, we have the best mechanics in town. So yeah, visit us at zioncyclery.com. 20:15 You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio. Hey, we're back, and Jeff remembers something he wanted to talk about. 20:22 He's, uh, he talked to a cat that has a tallbike front-loading, uh, cargo bike with an eighty-pound Rottweiler, and he's traveling the country, so tell us about it, Jeff. Yeah. 20:35 So the other day, um, Chase was coming through from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and he had this, this big apparatus, and I've seen tallbike touring bikes before, but I've never seen someone... And I said Rottweiler. 20:47 I realize, I think it's a pit bull or of one sort of variation, but definitely a big round one, probably eighty-plus pounds. 20:54 [laughs] Super sweet and cute, and, uh, he had the tallbike just padded up for the dog, and I asked him if the dog ever moved enough to s- to change his handling. 21:03 He said once he did, but, you know, the majority of times he really was so well-behaved, he just sat there still. 21:08 And then I told him about the Mi- Mississippi hills and what he was up against, and then I re- was reminded that he just came from Western Pennsylvania, so he's seen hills. 21:17 So I would've asked, like, do you need a bike lock, or do you just- He had a stick stand. Yeah? He did. Yep. A what? A big stick. A stick stand. 21:27 So in the image, if you look into it closely, you'll see that his bike is propped up against a straight stick with a little Y at the top, and- Like a-... he just leans his bike onto the Y. Like an old man crutch? 21:37 Yeah, basically just an old man crutch, and it just like this, you know, what, what looks like you'd put in your armpit, and he'd just lean the bike up against that. 21:45 And, you know, said hi, said hi to us and talked to us and bought him some coffee, and he told me a little story, and he said he kinda wanted a better mirror. His convex mirror made cars look farther away than closer. 21:56 [laughs] He kinda didn't enjoy that very much when- Wow... the cars were a lot closer. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. 22:02 Well, we'll have a picture in the show notes of, of his rig, and, um, maybe we'll have a link to something that, uh, if he's doing a blog or whatever. Sounds good. All right. And now, patiently waiting- [laughs]... 22:18 is Patty Glynn's Kotecki. I was expecting just to co-host. I didn't know I had to do- Really?... a lot of talking too. But I- Well, I just, I just have-... I'll talk all day long. [laughs] I just have, 22:27 I just have the question about, like, you're coaching little kids- Yeah... in mountain biking. Yeah. And what, what, what have, what have the little groms of tomorrow, what, what have they taught you? 22:38 Well, I gotta tell you, I was not sure it was an experience I would enjoy. I don't have my own kids. [laughs] And I don't have a lot of patience, so two strikes against me. [laughs] How old- Perfect... how old are these? 22:52 What's the age range? It's, uh, it was out at Blackhawk, so it's five to 12. Oof, five to 12 is a big range. Oh, that's a big range. Yeah, it is a big range. 22:57 We break them up into three different, you know, like beginner, intermediate, advanced, and I had the time of my life. It was the highlight of my week, actually. Really? Did they teach you any new slang or swears? 23:09 Um, I didn't learn any new swears. I'm certain that I taught them some. [laughs] And I ended up getting kids, I was like, "Am I going too fast?" And they're like, "No, go faster." 23:21 [laughs] So I was able to actually get quite a bit of riding in for myself- Nice... because I got the intermediate and advanced group. So it was really, really fun. 23:29 Our last class, we had, like, graduation where kids went up a level, and I did have a kid barrel down one of the ski hills without brakes, and he did fly off his bike and get a concussion. Oof. Yeah, but- Wow... 23:43 he was such a badass. Did he have a helmet on? Yes, he had a-- Oh, of course. They all have to wear helmets. But it does talk about... I mean, it was a really great, um, 23:53 really kind of great experience for me, like sucky at the same time, but great because I've never had to deal with anything that high-stress before. And I was able to get him up the mountain. 24:03 I actually carried his bike up and pushed my bike up. 24:06 And, um, we got him up, we got him safe, and, um-But then also just the importance of making sure your gear works is so important, and it's not something we think about as an adult because it's like, "Oh, my, my brakes aren't working. 24:20 I need to go into the shop." Kids don't-- Kid- In my experience, these kids are like, "We just wanna bomb this hill," and not really thinking about that. So- Hmm... that was a lesson for me. Nice. Yeah. 24:32 On the e-bikes piece, I've had three different use cases I've run into this year where originally I was like, "Oh, I don't know how I feel about these on dirt," and it's completely changed my mind. 24:44 One was a older gentleman out at the Kettle who lost the ability to ride with his friends, and now he can. Yep. 24:51 One was a woman who never rode before and can now keep up with her husband, and that was just on the Military Ridge Trail. 24:58 And one was a father who had a autoimmune disease, so was pretty weak, and he was in southern Indiana doing Brown County with his family. Uh-huh. And that is not for beginners, right? Right. 25:09 There's a lot of climbing down there, and he was rocking it. And so it completely changed my mind on e-bikes. They're- And they're fun. I think those are some of the use cases I used the last time. 25:20 [chuckles] They- Like, what about this scenario? Yeah, for sure. I mean, they definitely have a time and place. Yeah. 25:26 Um- In-increase the accessibility, increase, you know, for people who have limited mobility is a huge, huge thing that I think is very great. And- Absolutely, I do too... 25:34 and, and as a, you know, a shop, we do so much support to transportation and commuters. My, my, my foible with this morning's e-bike was this woman's commuting 15 miles. 25:43 She didn't know if, uh, each way, and didn't know if she would stick into it, and she has been doing it for four months, and- Mm-hmm... 25:49 only thing she could say is, "I'm saving 80 bucks, you know, every two weeks in gas." And I'm like- Right... "You're saving so much more money than that- Right... and you're getting, you know, healthier and happier." 25:59 Mm-hmm. So they, they do, they have a lot of, of good, good aspects. 26:02 I think the infrastructure is really the next step, and we need to, you know, as a, as cyclist voice that we want them, but we need to really think about them and their use. 26:11 And I don't think we should throw them on the roads. I don't think someone who's just getting into cycling and can go 20 miles an hour would do very well next to parked cars. [laughs] No. Right. 26:20 I think that's a scary s-statement when someone says, "Get them on the roads." It's like, no, it's, it's an infrastructure thing. 26:26 We need to build better infrastructure for cycling and electric bikes and, you know, just separate the pedestrians and every-everyone else, so. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I see you are certified right behind Patty. 26:37 Yeah, you just noticed that. Yeah, it's, uh... 26:39 When, when we, when we got done with the certification, they asked us about, uh, or sorry, we asked them about working on the, the motors and the engines, and they said, "Don't do it. Just send it to us." Hmm. 26:49 We're like, "Well, they're gonna wear out." And they said, "Don't do it." [chuckles] Hmm. I'm getting a little buzz. Are you guys getting it? I am. Oh. Is it better? Yeah, I guess I was too. Hmm. I didn't know anymore. 27:03 I, I don't- Is it better? For me it was. Yeah, I don't hear it. Don't worry about it because there's a lot of filtering that goes on to the, uh, there's a lot of, uh, noise reduction built into the board here. Nice. 27:17 So it's, it's probably the furnace is what we're hearing. Oh. Oh. Or the cooler probably is getting feedback, so. But you probably won't hear it in the, in the recording. But if, folks at home, if you hear that, sorry. 27:28 [laughing] [laughs] And, and Patty, I just haven't been exposed to mountain bike e-bikes yet other than one of our Rev riders for our Thursday night ride brings one, and he shuts his motor off every time he comes riding with us. 27:41 Uh-huh. It's pretty adorable, and then he turns it on and rides home, and it's just, to watch him just zip away, you're just like, "Oh, man." [chuckles] It's gotta be like a medicine ball- [laughs]... 27:49 when he's riding with you. Yep, yep. Wow. And the thing about that you had having messing-- that no one has mentioned yet is carless lifestyle for e-bikes. 27:58 If you, if you commute and you need to get 20 pounds of dog food, you know, an e-bike is a real tool for that, that then after you do all that, and you can take the kids out to the single track and d- ride your twisties on your 29er. 28:15 [laughs] You know? And have the-- So that's a-- And that comes straight from, uh, an interview I did with PeopleForBikes. That's, that's- Neat. Yep... that's the way this young lady explained her life. 28:27 You know, she lives on the bicycle and tries not to use her car, and that's, that's really, in, in a place like Madison, that's something that isn't far-fetched for you folks. You don't have a car, do you? Nope. 28:39 You don't have one, no. Nope. There you go. There's quite a few people that don't have one here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, a lot of people, most of my cu-customers sell one of their cars. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 28:48 S- And it's mostly family. Like, people who have kids, they seem to always have to have a car, just something. It's like, we just need one car. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Awesome. Well, it's s-the spinner, uh, time to talk. 29:01 I have, I have a couple of probing questions for you. Oh, boy. Uh- Did you bring lube? [laughing] Mm. [laughs] It's a bike shop. We have plenty of lube. Oh, yeah. Good to go. Totally. 29:13 How does it feel to be a podcasting superstar? [laughs] Uh, it's fun. I, I mean, the [laughs] the, the first couple, I did not expect the reactions I got out of the last one. We had, um, disagreements about people's, uh, 29:32 derailing cr- uh, technique. [laughs] Somebody talk shit about somebody else, and then the other one, like, there was some- And you're indulging-... a little bit of drama... 29:42 you're, you're indulging this, this drama by, by then, uh, pr- making, like, a progressive argument out of your show. Oh, yeah. We're doing that. [laughing] You've heard of progressive dinners? 29:52 And I got a, I got a, uh, a voicemail of somebody defending e-bikes. [laughs] Really? Really? Yeah. [laughs] Nice. So a guy in Utah, he's like, "This is what I ride. 30:01 I ride this bike and single speed and this, and then, and I use an e-bike for this." I'm like, "Okay, huh." I'm gonna b- I'll have, I'll have that play in the next one, but- Yeah... yeah, it's, it's been pretty neat. 30:10 Um-I have more to do. Yeah, it's amazing how the people do listen. Yeah. And, and- We always, we always joke, our four listeners from Wisconsin, and I got an angry voicemail from Utah. 30:20 Well, he wasn't angry, [laughs] but, like, he definitely had a point to defend. [laughs] So I'll have him on. So- Are you guys actually around a fire? Um, the first, the first one- The first one... we were. Mm-hmm. 30:31 Um, the second one we were outside- Mm-hmm... in the middle of Austin, Texas. Awesome. And the next one will probably be outside. 30:39 The one last week was supposed to be in a fire in Dubuque with the single speed champion from Michigan. Um, but I'm gonna have the single speed champion from, uh, Pennsylvania on, 30:53 the defending men's champion, and then the three-time women's champion from Minnesota, who's gonna be on, too. Mm-hmm. Cool. Yeah. So, I mean, sometimes I'll probably talk to a non-single speeder- And-... 31:04 but it's been a lot of single speeds thus far. [laughs] Next weekend is the Block House Roll. It is. And you were talking about the kids' age range. Mm-hmm. 31:11 And I have a kids' race, and I had a really hard time, like, what is the age range of a kids' race? 'Cause I don't have kids either, and I don't... 31:17 All my friends have kids, and I don't see those friends anymore, so [laughs] I don't know what their kids are doing. [laughs] Wow. Yeah. [laughs] It's the kinda way it works. 31:24 And I think I did something, like, up to 12, and then a juniors 13 to 18. Mm-hmm. But- I think that's right Can I come, can I come race the Strider race? You can do the Strider race. Nice. 31:35 We'll see you- Have you been watching the Japanese Strider races? Like- I haven't-... those kids are flying... but now I'm gonna have to. [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] I, I don't know how you can go that fast. Tell me more. 31:44 Are you talking adult, adult Striders? No kids. Oh, okay. They just, they just let the kids go, and they'll, uh... You know, it's, like, a kidney bean race course, and it was faster than I could imagine. Really? Yeah. 31:52 Wow. And it's crazy the way they, they balance their abdomen on that seat and just become this, like [laughs] like a windmill of ostrich racing or something. Like- We're in, in control. Like, not everyone's crashing. 32:04 It's not just, you know, a pile-up. [laughs] It's, like, actually keeping space and, like, figuring out how to, you know, change your position, so. We'll have a YouTube link in the show notes of- [laughs]... 32:14 crazy Japanese Strider racing. Wow. We should check that. Awesome. Fatbike.com Strider race. Yeah. Maybe- Take your pedals off your fat bike, and then you have to strut it. Oh, yeah. Just take... Yeah, take the- Yeah... 32:26 bottom bracket completely out. Oh my God, you could... Everyone could remove their cranks, two bolts. Yeah. 32:31 So d- is there still room at the Block House Roll if, uh, if, uh, some young enterprising racer wants to race with their dog, or- There is... Yeah... race you personally, or? 32:42 I will probably, depending on how many people show up, I'll probably do the dog time trial. Yeah. Nice. The trail dog time trial. Your dogs are pretty fast. [lips smack] Um, Vivian is. Yeah. 32:52 Holly gets into the, the tree collection. They're both notorious short cutters. [laughs] Yeah, they- Squirrels... uh, it's amazing. 33:00 I w- rode at Levis the last time, and Holly, whenever there's a loop and whenever you come back on a trail, she somehow knows where the next trail is- [laughs] Yeah... and she cuts through. 33:08 She, she, she's a short cutter. And, like, every ride I'll be howling for her, and then she'll come, like, from front, in front of me down the trail 'cause she knows- Like, "I'm waiting for you. Come on." Oh my gosh. 33:15 Yeah. Yeah. No, she's really good at that. Confused at why you didn't take that shortcut. Yeah. [laughs] Like, why did you ride all the way down to that end? Skerrrt. What are you doing there? Yeah. 33:23 Speeders so slow, man. Uh-huh. Oh, I know. It's a, you know, single speed thing. But, um, yeah, the Block House Roll, um, if you haven't heard of it, it's one of the oldest grassroots races in the Midwest. This is... 33:39 We're between, like, 20 and 25. I don't know exactly how many, but the other one that I know of has been running longer or maybe the same time as the Decorah Time Trials, and this is grassroots hand-built single track. 33:52 So it's not the machine-built flowy stuff that you get a lot of places now. It's almost like you're riding a cow path, [laughs] you know? So the classic single track, uh, very skinny. Um, 34:04 trying to think what else to say. There's some burly, burly chutes and downhills on that course. It, it's in the Driftless valley. Yeah. 34:10 So the Driftless region, the Mississippi River Valley, especially now with the, um, [lips smack] uh, rain that we've been having. Mm. Mm-hmm. There's a lot of... The terrain has changed, and there's a lot of rock. 34:21 There's a lot of... Man, it's gonna be a different race course. [laughs] There's probably gonna be some puddle jumping. Um, I did some different categories this year. I tried to do a lot of different things. 34:34 Like I said, the kids race, and I think I said, uh, up to 12, and then 13 to 17 was juniors. But if that age range wants to race in the pro- Mm-hmm... there's a three-lap, two-lap, one-lap. 34:49 And then once all those races are done, we're gonna try for the first time ever a time tri- a trail dog time trial, where you race with your trail dog. I thought you've already done one of those. 34:59 I did a enduro, like a local little thing. Oh, okay. Yeah. But this is gonna be actual race. Yeah. Awesome. So we'll see how that goes. That's cool. Dogs from across the country. Yeah. Right. There's some fast dogs. 35:10 I mean, trail dogs are a thing everywhere. Yeah. Um, and I've never seen one. 35:14 I, I assume somebody has had a trail dog race somewhere, but I've never heard of it, and, um- There's dog joring competitions in, in Wisconsin, both pulling a bike, pulling carts. Yeah, but what... Just riding. 35:26 You ride your bike, and you finish with your dog. That's what I was w- gonna ask you. So that's how it's... So the dog isn't just starting and running the trail, which would be- Right... quite remarkable. 35:35 [laughs] Like, really? Like, well, what am I gonna try to do? You track the dog, and then the bike rider goes. [laughs] Yeah. No, it's, uh, the... 35:42 So I'm doing a time trial format, so it's not a herd of dogs going at once, you know, not a mass start. Mm-hmm. So, um, and I think we're gonna start that, uh, later in the day after all the other races are done. 35:51 So, um, we'll see how it works. Um, I'm optimistic. And yeah, we don't have a whole lot signed up right now, but we'll see what happens Saturday. Hopefully the, the weather has cleared up. 36:02 It was supposed to be rainy, and it looks like it's gonna be a sunny day on Saturday. Yeah. Great. Yeah, it changed. Yeah. Yeah, it just rained on Friday, so- And- That's what they say... 36:12 every other, I don't know, the next five days after- Right... we could see that. Yeah. Um- Next week looks bad. It's November, you know. Well, October 1st, right? 36:20 [laughs] I am hoping- I'm already switching to November... this rain turns into snow, and we get-... feet of snow. Me too. Yeah. 36:27 The Farmer's Almanac picture was, uh, two fat bikers in just a glorious, you know, surrounded by this blizzard of snow storm. Oh. And it was just like, "That's the, that'll be the day." That'll be the day. 36:38 Oh, that'll be wonderful. I, I just heard La Niña. It's not an El Niño year. It's gonna be a La Niña year, which means more snow for us. It's like a regular snowy winter- Ooh... back to, you know, good stuff. Great. 36:53 And that'll be good for, we're gonna have to get the fat bikes back in here. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Ice cream truck, truck is back in stock, and we bought one for people to try out and see, so. In sparkly pink, man. Ooh. 37:04 Sparkly pink. Really, actually a really nice pink. Yeah. I was so close- It's like a hot pink... to pulling a trigger on that. Mm. Yeah. I want one, man. Do it. Do it. I know a guy. 37:15 Yeah, but- Or should we talk about Aaron and how he's doing it for you? You know what happened? What? [laughs] I [laughs] Ten beers just got out of rehab. Yeah, I saw that. You know? 37:26 He got a little tear on his meniscus and had to go get repaired. But I'm telling you, that frame came back repaired. You broke your car- you, you broke your carbon bike. Right. That's what Ten Beers is. Right. 37:37 Ten Bear- Is he Ten Bears now? Ten Beers. Okay. Could be... Still Ten Beers, it's the same bike. But literally [laughs] that- [laughs]... 37:44 that repair, it was a tiny little tear on the, where the seat stay and the chain stay meet the dropout. Uh-huh. So- How long have you had that bike? Two years. Oh, that's it? Yep. I thought you had him longer than that. 37:59 Nope. So one- Two years... one broken carbon issue in two years. Right. But the- the... It has a really pretty happy ending, I think, and a lot of people shun carbon because it's fragile, and it can break. 38:15 Case in point, this one cracked, but the happy ending is it came back repaired, and it looks good as new. You know, under the warranty, they- they offered to give me a new frame, he said, but I... This is such a... 38:30 They only made, like, four of these all black ones, right? Ah. Uh, so he's such a rare frame, he's like, "I'll repair it, and I know I can, I can sell this." [laughs] "People really like this all black frame." 38:40 Uh, so, you know, I said, "I'll take the repair." Uh, that, for me, shows that carbon bikes are not a pariah, you know, that there is a happy ending. 38:53 Ev- everybody's always like, "Well, a steel frame or a titanium frame can be repaired." Well, so can a carbon one. I have three steel bikes that are not repaired. [laughs] I know. 39:02 I have a titanium one they cracked that, yeah, nobody wanted to touch that one either, but- Oh, I have a carbon bike that I also repaired. See? You did? Yeah. Yeah, totally. I cracked the frame out at Quarry Ridge. 39:13 Did they warranty it or send it up to Cyclocarbon- Mm-mm... Drew? Mm-mm. No. I actually had- Updated it... what's the guy? Uh, Godspeed Andrews did it. Yeah. Godspeed Andrews. Mm-hmm. Yep. 39:22 I've never even heard of that guy. Yep. He- Is he local? Yeah. Yep. Really? Yeah. And we've had- And he used to work at Trek, I think. Yeah. He did a wonderful job. You can't even see where it happened. 39:31 20, 24 years, he worked at Trek. Wow. We've had, uh, the Carbon Doctor on the show, so we've had... Uh, there's... Th- I think it's going to be a, an, an industry. Hmm. 39:42 Kids out there, start learning how to repair carbon fiber. [laughs] If I ever ride my carbon bike, I will, I'll- Oh, yeah... see if I break it and fix it. How's that Bear Grease treating you? 39:50 It's in the same spot as this [snorts]. [laughs] I took it to the Birki, and I hung it up, and it's still sitting there. [laughs] Oof. So Jeff, here's an interesting question. 39:59 Let me- [laughs] Let's say you're Spinner, and- Yep... you rode the Birki, and you said, "I- I'm through with this race whatnot." 40:08 You scrape your kit off, you sling it to the wind, you hang the bike on a hook, and then next fall you're like, "You know what? I think I can beat Leon in the Birki again." 40:21 [laughs] This is, this is a great question, actually, because, um, uh, we're sitting next to a Surly Pugsley that we just burned the seat post out of, so- Oh, wow... uh, yeah. So we, 40:33 w- w- we at the shop are- It's still smoking... are s- Yeah, it basically is. [laughs] We, we at the shop are still trying to figure out how to articulate the importance of don't put your winter bike away wet. Oh. 40:43 And fat bikes are- Mm... 40:44 winter bikes for most of us in this area, and that we're trying to figure out what we can do to really support consumers and, uh, and, and s- you know, like, how can they do this and have a list of what they should do. 40:58 And so it's mostly rinse the bike off right away. So in the springtime, your bike should definitely not get pressure washed, but should get washed right away to get any salt away from corroding. 41:10 'Cause when you remember that August is coming, and then August kind of triggers you to the winter months, that you should go get your bike tuned up, that you don't bring us something that you haven't touched since, you know, or it hasn't been repaired since the previous August. 41:23 Um, you know, really- Do you- Yeah? Do you have, like, uh, in, a lot of times in the spring, people bring in their road bikes 'cause it's been sitting since winter. 41:31 Do you have the same thing with fat bikes in the fall as soon as, like, snow flies, they bring in those- We, we do. Yeah. Really? We really do get the winter bikes in about, um, Au- Au- August. 41:39 It's almost always August that people start bringing in their winter bikes. Huh. And we're like, "Can we see this in May, please?" You know? Mm-hmm. 41:45 It's like, "Well, let us work on it as slowly as we can, but, like, don't wait four more months," so. They rode it hard, put it away wet, now they bring it forward. They, they, they, they really did. And- They literally. 41:54 Yeah. Literally, yeah. 41:55 And, and it's, um, you know, for us, it's a lot of the salt brine, like, that they're putting on the roads, and that stuff, when it gets, uh, into the wet components of the trails and streets, it's spinning that onto all your bike to just corrodes everything excessively. 42:10 Hmm. And, uh, for the folks out there that run the Bluto or the Mastodon, that's-You know, that, that really, the shocks, the front shocks- You don't-... that really needs to be looked at every year, right? 42:20 Suspension works. Y- yeah, we, we, we, we don't have a lot of customers who run them in the wintertime because there's still a lot of, um, lag in the suspension working very well when it gets cold. Mm-hmm. 42:30 So, you know, we have really cold weather, so most people put back on their rigid fork for the winter. Hmm. But yeah, any... 42:36 Yeah, I would, I would, I would almost, you know, support and say don't ride your suspension fork in the winter 'cause it's not performing very well, and two, if you are riding it anywhere near those salt conditions or corrosive conditions, you're just gonna ruin your expensive fork, so. 42:52 And snow does smooth things out. It really does. You know, it really takes- Mm-hmm... all of those little bumps out. Really does. Hmm. And, and so does four PSI and seven PSI [laughs] when you have it. 43:04 [laughs] How did you guys do that? Did you blowtorch it and hammer on it? Yeah, it's, uh, it's... I never do it. 43:09 I send it to a friend, and he just sits there and wears, you know, respiration equipment and just uses MAPP gas, and it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, like, little bit li- lower temperature than brazing and just sits there with the bike upside down and blo- blasts it out until the aluminum melts. 43:27 Oh, he melted it out. Melts it out, yes. You didn't expand the seat tube. No, no, and this one had an imperfection in the, in the tubing- Wow... something that we found, and so it blew a hole in the tubing. 43:37 So he's sitting there, and all of a sudden there's a flamethrower, like, action happening outside of the frame, and he's like- Oh my God... 43:43 he's like, he said he's never seen it before, and he's like, "Oh my God," it was cool, but like, "Oh, now I have to fix that." So he filled it with brass. [laughs] Huh. I wanna see that happen so bad. [laughs] Yeah. 43:55 Melting aluminum out of a steel frame. That's cool. Yeah, yeah. That's amazing. It's, it's... I, I just think of the toxicity. 44:02 I could never do it, but he just, you know, puts a stand in the driveway and then just sits there and b- burns it out, so. Wow, cool. 44:09 But a- again, it's, uh, sort of supportive of, like, what should you do, Gomez, and it's like everyone every two years should pull every seat post out of all their bikes and lube it with grease and get rid of all the rust every two years. 44:21 Well, you mean, maybe, like, maybe that's- Mm-hmm... that's gonna be an aspect of Global Fat Bike Day is we just- [laughs]... we'll bring like a- Container lube... container of lube. Lube up your seats. 44:30 Just like lube up your seats, buddies. Gather around the Phil Wood, the, the- [laughs]... the tub of Phil Wood and dip your... Like, we could heat up the- Yeah... 44:40 the seat post with the torch and then tsshh, put them in there. Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we- Yeah, we probably shouldn't do that. A lube your seat tube party? [laughs] Lube your seat tube. Lube your seat tube. Yeah. 44:51 Get some, um- That might be a good as- Bring thy seat tube to the lube. That's a killer t-shirt. The, the, the winter ball- [laughs]... 44:57 we might have to bring a bucket of, uh, five gallons of Superweb, and that's what everyone does, is, like, secretly goes out and lubes their seat post. Boom. Oh. Ah. 45:06 Can you put that on the next fatbike.com T-shirt, just on the back, "Lube your seat tube"? I- Put it down low. [laughs] I was hoping you would bring, bring something- Put it in a tramp stamp... 45:14 personal to the reindeer games, and I think- Yeah... we just found it. Boom. Awesome. I'm just, uh, I, I'm just returning from three days of glorious Pacific Ocean beach riding. Woo-hoo. Nice. 45:27 The middle day we did 28 miles on the beach. Nice. That sounds great. And at low tide, a football field of width. Oh, nice. So many bits of dead things I ran over in the last three days. [laughs] Wow. 45:43 Dungeness crab parts everywhere. I just imagine- But it was pretty awesome... you ride by, like, shipwrecks and stuff? Uh, no. No? No shipwrecks. 45:53 But, oh yeah, and there was a shark, and there was a sh- [laughs] There, there was a boat that was wrecked. Oh my God. 45:58 [laughs] There was a shark and a boat in the w- Yeah, the dude jumped his fat bike over the shark, and- Jumped the shark? He jumped the shark with his fat bike. Oh my God. Rad. 46:08 [laughs] Yeah, and we, like, gave him the, uh, nickname Shark Fox after that. Ooh. Mm. So #sharkfox. He was born on- #sharkfox. I like it. I think you should have called him Fonz. Fonz. That is a Fonz moment. Fonz. 46:20 He's very un-Fonzie. Mm-hmm. Like, big, tall dude with red hair and freckles. What was the dude in, uh, Jaws? What was his name? Queeg. Was it? Yeah, that was the captain in the original Jaws. Oh, okay. 46:30 Is that the guy that says, "We're gonna need a bigger boat"? Yeah. Eh. Oh, no. That's Roy Scheider. Roy Scheider, yeah. Roy Scheider. That's the, that's the copper, Chief something. Okay. 46:39 Good Chief- I, I, I thought we'd call him that. I don't know. [laughs] I don't know. You don't know the Fonz reference, do you? I know Fonz. He jumped the shark. Do you know the jump the shark? 46:47 And that was- Oh, no, no, the jump the shark... and that was the end because that was- Oh, yeah... that was the end of Happy Days. That's why, like, jumping the shark is like- Oh, that's where it comes from? 46:54 'Cause they had- Yeah, that's where that phrase came from, from the Fonz jumping the shark on water skis in Happy Days. Should be called jumping the Snake River Canyon 'cause that was the end of Evel Knievel, too. Right. 47:05 [laughs] Stuck in a rocket on the side of the canyon. Wow, I, this is probably not the time to tell me this story. [laughs] I'll ask you after the podcast, but really? Really? Fonzie jumped the shark- Yes... 47:15 in Happy Days? Yes. Yeah. And it was like- That was the end of the show. The writers all quit and said, "Fuck this. We're gonna go to Mork & Mindy." [laughs] Wow. [laughs] Yeah. 'Cause that show was a success. 47:26 It never was. [laughs] Yeah. Wow. Robin Williams all jazzed up on coke. History, history learned. Well, it's- Well, there's, like, a generational thing where I'm like, "I bet you don't know what that really is." 47:37 I've heard people say, people talk about fat bikes jumping the shark, and I think I had to ask. It means like it's over, you know? It, it, it's passed its prime. It... 47:43 I knew, I knew what it meant, but I didn't know it was weird with the Fonz. And it was- Yeah, that is, that is what it's from, from Fonzie. Henry Winker, Henry Lee. [laughs] I can't talk. Henry Winker. 47:52 Henry, Henry Winkler. Henry Winkler. He's still alive and kicking. He's supposed to be a wonderful, wonderful guy. There's a m- there's a statue of him in Milwaukee- Yeah... on the Riverwalk. Yeah. He's got two fingers. 48:02 To Fonz. Yeah, to Fonz. He's on a Showtime show. Huh? Yeah, he's on Barry. You just said you didn't watch TV. I don't. One day. My sister watches it. 48:09 [laughs] She is- His daughter was in college here when I showed up for college, so- Oh, awesome. Really? Oh, really? Back in the... Yeah. She has people that watches TV for her. Yeah. [laughs] Ah. 48:18 Yeah, I have people- You may have to-... they watch TV for me... send me the clips. [laughs] Well, uh, your sister. Yeah. She could be your person.She's one of my people Yeah. For sure. Does your sister ride bikes? 48:28 I didn't know you had a sister. Yeah, I do have a sister. She has a, um, a road bike. She's not really into bike- Not one of our friends. [laughs] No. But you know what? 48:35 They live, they live right by Santos in Florida, and I've ridden out there- Oh... when I'm there, and I've ridden with my brother-in-law, which is pretty fun. That'd be a good spot to have family. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 48:46 Great spot. I got chased by a, by a pack of feral dogs in Kissimmee, Florida, once- Sweet... on my bike. Yeah. Alli- alligators. I'm terrified of alli- alligators. Are you really? Yeah. They have them. Yeah. 48:55 They live on a lake, and sometimes when my brother-in-law's doing work down there, he'll turn around and there'll be an alligator. Like- Yep... the birds stop making noise, and he's like, "Shit." 49:06 There's a crackhead- Yeah... or a meth head or an alligator- Oh, no... 'cause this is Florida. Yeah. Yeah. [laughs] It's, it's definitely... [laughs] Old people. Oh. Don't forget the old people. 49:14 Or a senior citizen, worst. Yeah. No. Senior citizen crackhead. [laughs] Oh, my. No. So, uh- Tell us about- JP and I-... the Funduro thing. Oh, the Funduro thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's huge. 49:25 'Cause I have, I have questions, and people are asking me about it- Mm... and I don't know all the deets. Oh. It's, uh, it's fun on bikes. That's, that's kinda why... 49:35 I, I kinda live in a little fat bike bubble, and I thought, "No one is having fun bike stuff," and then I realized probably other people are. 49:43 But we're joining in on the fun bike stuff, where it's not a race, and people that don't necessarily... You know, there's, for every person that races, there's nine people- Mm-hmm... that don't. Right. 49:54 And the, this, these are events for those nine out of 10 people. Mm-hmm. 49:59 Uh, and also, it's, it's at a resort in the middle of a state park that is right on the beach, so this location is pretty kickass, and the hotel is just fantastic. So, uh, it's November 2nd and 3rd. 50:15 It's free to register except for, you know, if you wanna stay in the hotel, you have to pay for your own hotel room. And you have to pay for your own drinks 'cause we would go broke. [laughs] Oh, you would. 50:28 [laughs] Mountain bikers can drink drink. Yeah, that's what we were, yeah. But it's in Illinois. There should be less drinkers. It's not like a Wisconsin party. 50:34 Well, I think all the Wisconsin people are gonna, are gonna- It's close enough... are gonna cli- are gonna climb, climb the wall between the states [laughs] or dig a hole underneath the wall. 50:44 [laughs] No, I, you know, we'll, we'll smuggle all the, all the people in over the border. Don't worry. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Uh, and 50:50 so if you stay the night, there's a special room rate, and if, if you register and you stay the night, you're entered to win, uh, an Electra Beach Cruiser- Ooh... 51:02 that the boys at, uh, at Zion Cyclery put some finishing touches on and- Mm-hmm... some put, put some Zion Cyclery flair on there. And if you just register, which is free, you could win a one-night stay. 51:16 We reserved your room already at the fabulous beach resort. Mm-hmm. We're having beach rides. There's gonna be Surly demos. There's going to be... 51:26 So if you, if you register for the hotel, you get a gift bag, a goodie bag with stuff. Ooh. And- Is there a restaurant at the hotel? 51:34 There is a restaurant at the hotel, and there's a really kickass barbecue place right in Zion, like- Mm... that's right by the resort. So there's gonna be bike rides. There's gonna be a beach ride. 51:45 There's gonna be a gravel ride. Then there's gonna be a big party with a DJ. And then, you know, you know who put the poo poo on the Naked Crit? Chris. He's like, "No, we can't have a Naked Crit." 51:58 I said, "Well, what if we just call it Howling at the Moon, and then we have a Naked Crit?" He's like, "Okay, but we can't call it a Naked Crit." So. Mm. You're gonna do it naked on, like, Superior in November? 52:12 It's like Michigan. Oh, like Michigan. Maybe it's Michigan, sorry. It's in Illinois. Yeah, yeah. It's practically like Florida. They- [laughs] Plus, these are, these are tough people. We're, we're, we're... No? 52:24 I, I look forward to spectating that. Weird. F the bears, eh? I don't know if I look forward to spectating that. [laughs] But, uh, the Howling at the Moon I think is a great, great alternative name. I do too. I do too. 52:35 So yeah, it's kinda 'cause- Thank you. Thank you very much... like, if you, if you don't wanna be naked, then you ride it and you're- Right, and you just howl at the moon. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 52:42 But, you know, we're not gonna restrict the people who... Because I, I said to Chris- [laughs]... "You can take the nudist out of Indiana. You can't take the Indiana out of a nudist." 52:54 [laughs] 'Cause I was, I'm from Indiana. Okay. [laughs] If you see me naked, that's your fault. So- Are you a nudist? Yep. I have cousins, Estel, Glen, and Marshall, married twin sisters- [laughs]... 53:04 and they became nudists, and we, we were never allowed to go over there again. They're twins. Once you've seen one, you've seen them both. [laughs] Right. So I did get a question about the event. Yeah? 53:15 Is it going to be cliquey? I... People who don't- Uh, you know- From out of town. So cliquey. We're not even going. What? We're- Wow. Yeah, he's going to Scene Speed USA. Oh, 'cause you'll be somewhere else. Yeah. 53:25 I'll be in Austin. 'Cause of the cliques. 'Cause of the cliques. We'll actually, we'll actually have people assigned as fatbassadors to come- Oh, my gosh... and welcome people- I love it... 53:35 and introduce them into, into other people's cliques. Mm-hmm. And then- Sounds like a cult. Yeah. Take my hand and come with me. [laughs] Here. But we have all kinds of ideas. Here's a bag of some weeds. The... 53:46 I have this kickass idea [laughs] that- [laughs]... about chaining people together. Just buy a bunch of little links of chain and a bunch of little padlocks, and then you chain them all together. 53:58 Not couples, but you chain strangers together, and then you take all the keys, and you jumble them up, and you give everybody a key, but it's not the key to their lock, and they have to walk around and talk to everybody. 54:09 We're not gonna do that, though. [laughs] Where did you get that idea? I love that idea. That was... I... So you have a hotel. People get keys. [laughs] They gotta walk around and find- Right. Right. 54:21 This does sound like- That's a Florida-... like a '70s movie... that's a Florida thing. It's, it's not that kind of party, man. 54:27 [laughs]She says that today It's called, it's called lifestyle [laughs] That's a lifestyle There's naked crits Yeah Yeah, there you go But it's not that kind of party And you're locked in a stranger Right [laughs] But like I said, we're not gonna do that. 54:40 But, but what we are gonna have is, is people like when you come and you're staying at the hotel, we'll have people in that-- When, when you first walk in, we'll have signage to take you to the front desk. 54:52 Chris is gonna be there in a, the paisley velvet tuxedo playing the grand piano in this beautiful glass atrium, and then, you know, someone, one of our fat bassers will be like, "Hey, you're new to the party. Welcome. 55:08 And, you know, my name's, my name's Spinner," or whatever their name is, and we'll give them like special names and- Oh, neato... uh, they'll be able to be like, "Here's your goodie bag." Mm-hmm. 55:19 "We're gonna meet down in the atrium and have-- we're gonna have sour beers or, you know, whatever we have." Mm-hmm. I'd be a fat basseter for some drink tickets. See? Mm-hmm. Great. That's perfect. 55:31 The doctor is in the house. Listen to the good doctor. Indeed. See? And so all you have to do is register. It's free. It's fun on bikes. There's gonna be a party with hors d'oeuvres and a cash bar. 55:46 Uh, and you could like, you could sneak your own booze in. This is like, just like- Yep... yeah, you could- Like a prom If you wanted to, if you want- It's almost-- That's- Yeah... that's happening too, but that's later. 55:57 Yeah. Bike prom is the third event that we're not even talking about now 'cause- Okay Nope. Nope. We're just talking about- I know, I know about it. I got some- Yeah. Yeah... you know, preview to it, so. So 56:08 page, page three. 56:11 So yeah, all you have to do is register, and you could win a night's stay, which is like-- We-- They say it's a hundred and fifteen, but I made my reservation, and with taxes and service fees, this is like a hundred and twenty-six. 56:24 A hundred and twenty-six dollars. Yeah, their taxes in hotel industry is much higher. I know. 56:31 So and if you register for free and then book a hotel room for a hundred and fifteen bucks, you could win a seven-speed electric-- Electra Beach Cruiser. Not electric. No, Electra. Electra. 56:44 Uh, it's a, it's kind of a- Gosh, you're gonna have to specify nowadays. I know. It is, yeah. Yeah. No, Electra might be a funny name- It is... really soon. It's a weird name for a non-electric bike. 56:55 I think there, I think there are electric- Electras? There are e-bike Electras, I believe so. Is Electra- I think so... is that a QBP brand? No, it's a Trek brand. Trek. Trek Bottom. It's Trek. Trek. 57:05 Q has something like that, but I forget what it is. Civia. Civia, that's what it is. And they do have an e-bike, or at least two years ago they had one. No, they do. That's what I let go today was the Civia e-bike. 57:16 Gotcha. Mm-hmm. 57:18 And then I guess the last thing before we call Leia is, I-- Global Fat Bike Day is, is happening December seventh, and I'm actually hosting a ride at Kamrock that Patty got me tapped into the corp folks and- Yeah, I'm so glad you're doing that... 57:33 they, uh, they agreed, and I'm working with Chuck Hutchins and Dave over at Kamrock, and we're getting all of our permits in line and, uh, I don't know. 57:45 It's, it's, you know, it's just a group ride with a barbecue, so all we need is a couple of picnic tables, some- Mm-hmm... some brats, some charcoal. You're taking the races out of bike events- Yeah... 57:56 which is good to see [laughs]. You know what? When I go to races, I just call it a ride. Yeah, that's what everybody does. Yeah. It's like, "I'm just gonna go ride this race, not race it." 58:05 I'm like, "I'm-- What are racers gonna do? You're excluding." [laughs] They can warm up the- Racers and- They drink all the beer before I get there. Oh. That's what they do. If they're smart, they would do that. 58:16 But if they're really good racers, they get to turn my entry fee into their giant check. There you go. Oh, there you go. [laughs] You know? 58:26 If you wanna race, I'd gladly donate to your, to your giant check for my fat bike fun or whatever kind of bike I'm riding. 58:34 I'm riding the new Bo Jackson, the Bear Club Bo Jackson, like this road gravel bike that can take twenty-nine by three tires, drop bar, titanium- [laughs]... 58:46 in that, in, in a Hibernator, in the Hibernator one hundred, some new high. The Hibernator, that's right. It's a, uh- Oh, yeah... metric century- Yep... 58:54 on gravel roads, and, uh, that bike, I took it-- It came out of the box today, got put together, went out on the gravel ride. Holy crap. Oh, yeah. It's gonna be really nice. 59:05 The Strava machine, I, I like set personal bests on, on the three segments that I rode today, so. Very well done. Wow. Who, who took over Gomez's brain? [laughs] Somebody- Gomez You went running with it. 59:20 There's a chip in my brain. So now you know what we gotta do. Talk amongst yourselves. I'm going to get Leia on the line. Unless, go-- You go ahead. Yeah, you can call her. I was gonna ask you one more time. 59:29 Do you still do the Art Peddler in here? We, we do, yeah. 59:33 So we did a May one for the Art Walk, and we'll probably go back to a December one, but I, I don't have an exact date, and we're, we, um, you know, it's getting really close. 59:42 This, this year's-- The sort of schedule this year has shifted a little bit, so- Okay... I think having an Art Peddler this December might be a little, a little tight for us, but it's, it's fantastic. 59:53 So, you know, I'd, I'd like to do it again, but we just haven't, you know, confirmed a date, and we're, we're really late. You know, heading into October, wanting to do an art show in twelve weeks or- Yeah... 1:00:02 less than eight weeks is like, that's a little much, so. And really quick, the Art Peddler is just, you kinda move stuff around, so the shop is a open art gallery. Yeah. 1:00:11 So, so the Art, Art Peddler was, uh, our response to Art Crank, uh, kicking out one of our, our artists, and so we decided to have our own. 1:00:19 And so for ten years now, we've been doing a, a similar idea of art-related print art. Uh, we've also done just sheer, um-You know, sculptures and just really had ourselves kind of fun with this whole concept. 1:00:34 But this last May, we did Art Peddler number nine, and we just did-- There's only four artists presented, and so next, next one we do, we wanna kinda get some more of the original guys back and- Cool... 1:00:45 guys and ladies back, and, you know, it's-- people love it. They just really enjoy it. 1:00:50 But yeah, we rearranged the store so we can really present the artwork on the, the brick wall, and seems to be very successful for us, so. Yeah. 1:00:58 I'm looking up there like-- I, I just noticed 'cause I have some of that stuff in my house. Yeah. It's- That's like the only artwork that I do have. 1:01:03 [laughs] Yeah, simply it's beautiful, and what we do is we're making, um, you know... 1:01:07 The idea is the concept of multiple art pieces that are sold at a really reasonable amount of money, and we're kinda pushing a little bit of, uh, our noses up against the art community who doesn't really like to support that, so. 1:01:19 I love that totem piece that you have in your house. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's fantastic. All right, I'm gonna call Leia. Leia. Hi, guys. Hello. Hey, Leia. We're here, uh- What is going on? 1:01:30 That's-- The other voice that you hear other than Spinner and myself is Jeff Fitzgerald from Revolution Cycles. Hi, Jeff. Oh, yeah. Hi, how are ya? Great, great. Thank you. 1:01:42 So, uh, the whole, uh, premise of this bit is that we're supposed to pretend that you're in a hyperbolic chain-chamber for altitude training. So- Is that why I, is that, is that why I sound funny? Yeah, that's why. 1:01:55 I'm in a hyperbolic chamber? Okay. Yeah. That's exactly it. 1:01:59 [laughs] And you're breathing pure nitrogen or whatever, you know, superpower-- what, what would give you superpowers and not, and, [laughs] and not get you in trouble with the, with the- Right. Right... 1:02:09 with the World Cup. [laughs] So you've been a, a busy young lady in your hiatus from, from important work like podcasting. Uh- I know. 1:02:20 I appreciate you guy- appreciate you guys giving me the break so I can, I can get this done over here. You c- you c- you- More time on the bike... 1:02:28 you came in second place behind the, uh, seven-time champ, Jenna Reinhardt, at the Chequaming and Fat Tire 40. Yeah. Yeah. So pretty [laughs] excited about that one. I know. 1:02:43 [laughs] That is, that is really, really an accomplishment 'cause you- Yeah, it's huge... you cannot beat Jenna on that course. Is that her home course? Yeah, I mean, it's her home course. Yeah. 1:02:52 She's raced there, what, 15 years. I mean, she's, she's a pro. She was like U23 national champion. Mm. Uh, yeah, she's been at the game for a long time, so just being able to ride with her was pretty exciting for me. 1:03:07 And you said that you, you hung with her. You had her in sight for thirty-three of those forty miles, right? Yeah, actually we're working together. So they changed the format a little bit. It's a big mass start race, 1:03:19 and, uh, they allowed for a, an elite/pro division. Uh, and we left separately from the masses. Mm-hmm. So we, we took off at one o'clock, uh, which 1:03:35 is the reason that I even decided to participate in the race, um, because I, you know, I gotta support the separate starts for the, the women. And, uh, 1:03:48 so my, my hope was that she wouldn't be able to-- since we weren't doing a mass start, she wouldn't be able to just hook on to the fastest guys and disappear. I was, I was hoping that if it was just women, 1:04:01 she wasn't gonna wanna race it alone. She's gonna want at least someone to work with. Sure. And what I was hoping for is that someone would be me. 1:04:11 [laughs] And, uh, we actually ended up starting with the pro men, and I'm thinking, "Oh, man, if she's able to hang on one of these guys, I'm toast." Right. 1:04:21 Um, so it was a, it was a controlled rollout on the road for a couple miles, and then we hit this section called Rosie's Field. Rosie's Field. Rosie's Field. Yeah. Yeah. 1:04:32 It's, uh, it's some deep grass, and it was really wet. It rained really hard for three days, so it, it, you know, it kinda just sucked you in and, and took out a lot of energy. So the second we hit that field, 1:04:46 um, you know, they, they let the, the mass-- They let everybody go, and the guys took off. So fortunately, they were too fast for even her, and, and I had her, I had her marked from the get-go. 1:05:00 I mean, wherever she was gonna go, I was gonna try and, try and hang. So I was on her wheel, and, uh, we get done with Rosie's Field, and we're on, uh, this gravel section. So it rained so much that they had to 1:05:16 make a couple reroutes. Mm-hmm. And it, it, it was, you know, it was kinda like gravel/ATV jeep trail, so there was, uh, quite a few water holes that you're trying to avoid. Oh, right. At the bottom of all those- And-... 1:05:32 big parabolic hills, yeah... yeah, ton-tons of them. So it's kinda like a, like a jigsaw puzzle trying to work your way around those. 1:05:40 So I'm right on her wheel, and she keeps looking back, not at me, but, but past me, and I think what she was doing is, is gauging where the rest of the field was and, uh, 1:05:56 you know, who, who she was gonna work with, right? And so I was with her, and we were about thirty yards, I'd say, in front of the next, uh, pack of women already. 1:06:07 And she keeps looking back, and I'm like, "I'm just gonna stick-- I'm just thrilled that I'm, I'm, I'm on her wheel right now," 'cause I, 1:06:15 I'm thinking my plan is gonna come to fruition, and I, I really didn't know if I could even hang with her at all. I just, I didn't know if I had it in me. 1:06:24 Um, so sure enough, she turns to me and she says, "Let's work together."And you- [laughs] If you had seen the pomegranate on my face when she said that to me, you, you'd mistake me for the Joker. Like, I was like, "Wee!" 1:06:39 You know? [laughs] I've been chosen. Yeah, I'm the chosen one. [laughs] Um, and it, and, and so it worked out perfectly because, you know, y- that race, there's, there's so much time to draft. Right. 1:06:52 Uh, there's a lot of, like, wide open road type gravel sections, and you really are not gonna wanna do that one alone. 1:07:02 Y- you're really gonna want at least someone to work with, or you're gonna, you're gonna get caught by, by a group. 1:07:09 And so we're dodging water pits, and we're working together taking turns pulling, and we ended up catching, uh, a guy. So the three of us were working together, and he was... You know, he's, 1:07:24 he was faster and stronger than us, but he didn't wanna go it alone, is why I think he kind of waited for us- Oh... in the first place. 1:07:31 So what he would do is he would pull us on the long straightaways, and then, uh, when we were cutting into more of, like, like, the grassy or, 1:07:43 uh, the, the trails that were inside the woods more, you know, tighter- Mm-hmm... um, uh, Jenna would pull ahead, and I would follow her. 1:07:51 And it was sweet following her lines because she's also a very good technical rider, and the course was really, really tough because all of these people that had gone before us, it's not like they pressed the course down so it was nicer. 1:08:08 It was worse because there was all these ruts, and it just reminded me of riding ruts on my fat bike in the snow. Yeah. 1:08:17 So we were carving, uh, through that, and then I was on my hard tail, and so when we'd hit kind of a hill, that's where I would take the lead for a little bit, and we'd keep going. 1:08:29 So we did that for about, yeah, about 33, 34 miles. 1:08:34 Uh, what ended u- what ended up happening is when we turned on to the actual Berkey trails, the last seven miles, uh, what I didn't realize, like, I hadn't ridden this course. 1:08:46 I, I raced it way back in 2013, so I, I didn't get a chance to really... I didn't know much about it at all. 1:08:55 And, um, throughout the race, there were times where we, you know, let's say we were going up an extended climb, well, there was always a descent afterwards or a nice straightaway, so you were able to, to, to recover. 1:09:09 Mm-hmm. Well, the guy decides, uh, he's gonna, he's gonna go now. It's, like, go time. And I, I didn't realize how hard he was gonna go, so I, I tried to stick with him, 1:09:22 and he had a, he had a little bit of gap, and I was trying to close it, so I put in a massive effort, effort to get on this guy's wheel, and I was, like, so close, but I [laughs] I didn't, I didn't make it. 1:09:34 And w- what ended up happening is I burnt way too much, and I couldn't recover because once you hit this section, it, it's like the hill just keeps going up and up and up and up and up and up. Right. The Big Bertha. 1:09:47 So I didn't have a- Big Bertha, that- Yeah... that section of the trail. Yeah. Isn't that Fire Tower? Yeah. Uh- No?... no. Fire Tower was earlier. Oh, okay. Gotcha. This was after Fire Tower. 1:09:58 Um, but yeah, and- So it's back, back into the big Berkey Hills. Okay. Yeah, back in the Berkey Hills, so I didn't have a chance to, to recover from that effort. And, and Jenna, you know, she just rolled away. 1:10:11 There was nothing I could do, so I was alone the last, you know, six miles, uh, of the race. And, you know, that's when the cramps are starting to come in. You know, you're on your own. 1:10:22 You're like, "Oh, this sucks, but, like, hold second place. Like, don't let anyone catch you." Uh, so yeah. I held it and rolled in at a nice second to the reigning champ. Um, yeah. Cool. It was, it was huge. 1:10:36 And then you won the 50 mile Margie, dude. That was last weekend, right? Yeah, this was this past weekend. I'm still recovering from it. It was a... 1:10:45 It took me 7 hours and 20 minutes, and that is the toughest course ever. I saw you, I saw a picture of you today on Facebook where I wanted to- Smiling in the middle of it. [laughs] I, I wanted to post #sassy. 1:10:59 [laughs] Sassy, that is a good tag, man. You gotta have fun with it. [laughs] I mean, when you know [laughs] you're gonna, you're gonna hurt for a really long time, you might as well just have some fun with it. 1:11:10 It, it- The fortunate thing about the Margie Gesick, which is, uh, up in, you know, that Marquette, Ishpem- Ishpeming, uh, area up in the UP, is, oh, man, what a perfect day we had. 1:11:24 It was, like, 75 and sunny with a nice breeze. The course was immaculate. I, I mean, I was having a blast for about six hours of that race. Those trails are phenomenal. And then? 1:11:39 And then the last hour and a half, I wanted to die. [laughs] You know, I was like, "Get me out of here. I'm never doing this again. This is crazy. These people are insane." Um, yeah. 1:11:54 It's, uh, a lot, quite a bit of climbing, and it's all very technical, so there's not very much time for any relief. It's just, it's just, it's a grind. And then- And, yeah. 1:12:06 But when you finished, there was nobody there, dude. I saw, I saw the video- No... of you finishing, like, just you sitting- Yeah, I beat all the spectators. I mean, think about it. 1:12:15 [laughs] If I finished at 7:20, you got people finishing in 16 hours. Oh, that's true. They're, you know, all the spectators, they're still on course. [laughs] Oh, right. Uh- Yeah, I did good. 1:12:26 I mean, I ended up eighth overall men. Wow. Yeah, there was about 250, I think.Awesome Yeah In a, in a 50-miler? Yeah Two 50? Yeah, I'm a 50-miler Cool Yeah So when do you go to, uh- It's been great to be back... 1:12:41 Bentonville to face the, the pro field in the Epic Series? The real pros, yeah. That is Sunday, October 13th, and it's the Oz Trails Off-Road. Mm-hmm And it's part of the Epic Series. 1:12:57 Uh, this is a series where there's big pro payouts, so it brings in, uh, some big names, and this one is even bigger. They're paying out, like, 60,000 in, in prizes, so the first male and female each win $10,000. Yikes. 1:13:14 And, and it goes down from there. In a big check. So. Right? Big old, big old check, yeah. She got a giant check at Schwalbe. And then there's also- She got a giant check at work I saw the other day, too. And, yeah. 1:13:25 Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Not too shabby at the old office either. That's going pretty well. Still, still gotta, you know- Just wallpaper your house with giant checks. 1:13:34 [laughs] Those biking checks aren't, aren't paying for much, you know? Work still needs to cover the majority of it. [laughs] [laughs] Well. 1:13:44 But yeah, the roster for that, I, I mean, you're looking at previous world champions like Kate Courtney and Katherine Pendrel. You've got Olympians like Chloe Woodruff and Katarina Nash. 1:13:57 Um, and then you've got national champions like Erin Hawk and Rose Grant. So these are some of the best- Name dropping... 1:14:06 chicks in the world, which is a big reason why I switched from doing the Margie 100 to the Margie 50, because I didn't wanna... I, I, you know, I, I need to stay strong and be able to train up until it. 1:14:19 I mean, I'm gonna get smoked, I'm gonna get killed, but I still wanna treat it like an A race- Oh, no, man... and, and do the best that I can. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh, especially since it's finally on Midwestern turf. 1:14:31 I think you need a sports psychologist or something to, to may- have... You need, you need more positive visualization. [laughs] Instead of saying, "I'm gonna get smoked," you know? I don't know. It sounds different. 1:14:43 I've never heard- I'm gonna-... been so happy to get second before. This is weird. [laughs] I was pretty... Well, you, you... I- that- [laughs] Jenna's like, "I can't believe what I just said" She's speechless. 1:14:57 [laughs] "What did I just think?" [laughs] There, I, I call them real deal pros, right? Like, I'm, like, this wannabe from Midwest that started biking when I was 34, right? I'm 40 years old. I have a full-time job. 1:15:11 Y- y- you know? And then, and then there's p- you know, those, the... 1:15:15 So okay, I have some natural ability and I'm willing to work hard, but then there's the real deal pros, and that's someone like Jenna and these other women, where this is, 1:15:24 this is what they do, and they've been doing it for a really long time, and they're amazing. So even being able to be on the starting list with these women is, like, sweet. 1:15:33 If you wanna get a picture with your hero, why don't you just go race them? [laughs] Yeah, there you go. [laughs] 'Cause I'm definitely- Nice... gonna be that annoying girl at the start line with my phone. 1:15:42 [laughs] Getting selfies. All right. Well, you probably need to change the, uh, nitrogen tank in your hyperbolic chamber. [laughs] Yeah. Over-oxidized, yeah. 1:15:53 Uh, so I'm just gonna turn it over to, uh, Spinner, 'cause he said that he wanted, he had, like, a special, uh, special some sort of, uh, good w- good luck message for you at the, at the- Uh-oh. 1:16:08 I don't remember this conversation. [laughs] No, it's 'cause it never happened. Yeah, you just made that up. [laughs] You're just putting words. Well, I, are you- I just made that up. I just put you on the spot... 1:16:14 so are you trying to say good luck? I, yes, I do wanna say good luck. Let's go, guys. But, uh, are you planning to take on that off-road series? 'Cause didn't you do Grand Junction this year? 1:16:24 Yeah, I mean, I might, I might do a couple more of those next year. I was also looking at some of the nat- or, uh, the National Ultra Endurance races. There's a series for that, too. 1:16:34 So they have the Epic Series within there where, you know, it's usually, like, 100-milers, but then they also have the 50 to 60 marathon style version. So I did that. The Big Frog that I won was 65 miles. 1:16:48 The Margie is also in the NUE. Um, so you could do the marathon series or the Epic, and so I might do a couple more of those. I really like that, that 50 mile mark. Like, I'm good on the bike for four to six hours. 1:17:03 Anything more than that, forget it. Mm. All right. Cool. Well, good luck, and, uh- I'm gonna start taking bets on when she wins the Epic Series... we'll, we'll have to see when Schwalbe- [laughs] You never know... 1:17:14 yeah... every time I think something's impossible- Yeah... somehow it ha- it happens. 2021. Yeah. Calling it right now. Just that, you're just calling it 2021. I'll say 2021. '42, you're gonna do it. Yeah. I'm 42. 1:17:27 I know. 42 is the meaning of life, the universe, and everything. I'm like, "I'm running out of time here. Hey, boss, can I just take off two years?" [laughs] Yeah. Cool. 1:17:36 All right, well let's- Well, it was good chatting with you guys. Thank you. I miss you, and hopefully we'll be, uh, back together maybe, uh, I'm hoping November. November. November. I, I've- The 150th show. Yeah. 1:17:47 Hoo-wee. I got, I got five weeks left to go, and then I'm, I'm off for a little bit, so I'll be- All right... ready to chitchat a little bit more. 1:17:56 Well, we'll, we'll podcast you right into winter cycling season or something. [laughs] Podcast training. I'm already- We could put- I'm already excited... we could maybe, like, put some sort of trainer in place. 1:18:12 So she can ride while she talks? Yeah. Yeah. And we can, like, plug in, plug one of your nostrils. Yeah, so while I'm training, like, people can text me questions. [laughs] Yeah. Perfect. I'll work on that. 1:18:23 [laughs] Live feed. [laughs] There you go. YouTube Live. I like it. This has been the Dose of Fat Podcast. We're sponsored by no one, and, uh, we're brought to you by Fat Bike Radio. 1:18:33 Tune into the Burning Bike Podcast, where, uh, people will scream at, at one another. [laughs] And- Next one will be nicer. [laughs]... talk, talk about e-bikes. Yeah. [laughs] Come see Jeff. 1:18:46 Bring your e-bike or your unicycle or your cargo bike or- [laughs]... uh, just come pet the cats. Say hi. Come pet the cats. They love. That's it. Laters. Thank you. Check us out on Instagram @fatbike.com. 1:19:02 [upbeat rock music] Tell that? We can tell that? Just... Come on, we're still 50. If I have to pedal, that's when you see me skinning. 1:19:15 [upbeat rock music]
