Transcript 0:00 [upbeat music] This is the premiere episode of The Burning Bike Podcast. I'm Spinner, host of The Burning Bike Podcast. [laughs] Right on, Spinner. 0:18 Right on. So what we're gonna do here in our show is gonna-- my show, is gonna be basically campfire talk. I have a few guests tonight. I have Gomez and Sven from Fatbike.com. Ahoy, hoy. Ahoy. Buenas tardes, amigos. 0:33 Of course it's Spanish. I see the campfire's already going. The c-- Yeah, Dave, get on that. Dave or Dave. Get cracking. Yeah, light that baby up. We have a- So we are-... 0:42 live studio audience of, uh, other miscreants and- And... Tim, now you can- Yo, yo. And we are recording on a picnic table in Silver Lake, Michigan. 0:53 We hopped on a ferry in Milwaukee, scooted across the lake to Muskegon, and- There goes our ferry... rode up [laughs] The peanut gallery's already in full swing back there. Scooted, scooting my butt across the carpet. 1:05 Uh-huh. How many miles was that? 40, 40 or 50 miles? The ride or the ferry? It's Strava. No, the ferry was 80 miles. I'm talking about the ride. Right. It's Strava. The ride was 40-plus, 45-plus. It was... 1:18 It was a good day. Mm. It was a big day, and there were some trails, some road riding, some beers were drank. Some jerk told us to take a way that made us climb a lot of hills. So, uh- Yeah, he did... 1:30 in, in a route where cars do not appreciate bikes on their roads. [laughs] Because they've made this beautiful path up here, I think they expect bikes to be on it. Uh-huh, which I can understand. 1:39 But we stopped at a fruit stand and ate- We did... big handfuls of fresh berries. Blueberries and raspberries. What kind of bike did you ride, Spinner? I rode my Surly Big Fat Dummy, fully loaded. 1:53 I would like to have weighed that to see just what it weighed. It had to be up there. What, what's your guess, your best guess, minus Spinner, which, you know- Minus me? Minus me. I think it's, like, 70 pounds unloaded. 2:07 I would guess it was 150 pounds. So that felt good on those hills, huh? Uh-huh. Yeah, if we can ride rails or trails, whatever's flat as possible tomorrow, that'd be great. What'd you ride? 2:17 I rode, uh, my Chumba Ursa Major, not, not pulling a trailer or being a long tail. Mm-hmm. It's still pretty heavy, though. Mm-hmm. 2:26 I also had my tires at eight PSI for that whole ride, which was probably [laughs] not the best pressure- Yeah, we should have pressured up... for mostly what was mostly a road ride. Yeah. 2:34 And Gomez, your weapon of choice? I rode Otis- Mm-hmm... which is a, uh, Fatback aluminum 190, 150 bike, symmetrical bike, uh, with a Revelate Apidura, uh, Becker Sewing all, uh, 2:52 in a concert of bags with... I don't know. I, I didn't think it was that bad of a ride. Plug your sponsors. Plug all your sponsors. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say- [laughs]... 3:01 how does it feel to be the owner of a website where you gotta plug all your sponsors? Oh. Everybody. Yeah. Uh, well it's- Pay up, bitches. Everybody listening. 3:07 You asked me what kind of bike I had, and then, you know, I just went into the bags 'cause- Mm-hmm... it's kinda weird. Greg brought up a interesting point of, are we calling him Greg or are we calling him Sven now? 3:19 What do you like to be called? I've been Sven on this sh- your show, [laughs] your show since we started three minutes ago. You've been Sven since the first show. I'm out, I'm out of character then. Sorry. 3:27 The entire year. [laughs] Yeah. So Sven has made a- This is not business talk. We're not talking shop here. Yeah, I do it with JK, too, between Mike and JK, it's like, "How's he, how is he?" 3:34 Sven brought up an interesting point is that we're not really bike packing, we're bike touring. That is true. True. So, uh- My bike was pretty packed to shit, though. [laughs] Yeah. Which was- My- Yeah, yeah. 3:48 But, and that reason is because, what was your reasoning? Yeah, the- Well, the- Yeah... 3:53 bike packing would be more where you would normally go with a backpack, and bike packing would be much more backcountry than what we're doing on this particular trip, which is more carrying your stuff and finding a destination and camping and doing stuff like that, but we're not in the outback or in an area where you're self-supported- No... 4:13 really. We're in a campground full of Jeeps and Broncos- [laughs]... and, uh- It's a-... side-by-side Razors. Yeah, it's ORV weekend up here, as well as the Bronco Fest or whatever they got going. Yeah. 4:22 So Sand Lake is a- So... a tourist destination with sand dunes, and it's Bronco weekend up here, and we actually took a cool ride on a F550 scooter with 16 other people or whatever. 4:37 But, uh, Silver Lake must be known for its lake and its sand dunes and a lot of- Off-highway vehicle access to the dunes. Oh, yeah. It's, that's like, that's, like, a really rare thing. 4:48 It's, like, the only place east of the Mississippi where you can drive your off-highway vehicle on sand dunes. Yeah. It's certainly one of the largest, for sure. It's huge. Yuge. 4:59 Yeah, and we got lost out, well, we didn't get lost out there, but some of us today got separated from the group and had to ride through a desert type of material or landscape. You gotta keep them separated. 5:09 So we came up here to find sand, and we found sand. We did find sand. Because Lake Michigan being so high, we don't even have sand anymore over on the other side of the, the Big M. And they barely have it here. 5:21 Which is true. Yeah. They used to run these big scooter things on the beach, and now they can't. Yeah. And this whole trip was raced around, based around beach riding. 5:28 We'll talk to Dave and his, uh, motives- His vision... for the, for the trip [laughs] when we get done here. But, uh, yeah. Dave, Dave Mountain or Dave Duke. So we came up here to do beach riding. 5:37 If you haven't rode the beach on fat bikes, it is something else. 5:42 You know, I, I think most people know that they're, uh, snow bikes, but when you actually ride the beach shore, um, I remember the first time we did this trip two years ago, I saw a lot of cool stuff and rode a lot of things, and I, I didn't know what to expect. 5:56 But you think riding on a beach for, I don't know, what was that, 20 miles last time? Mm-hmm. It was, uh-It was awesome. 6:03 It was so different just to be right beside, right beside the water, and wa- that waves are coming up and hitting your bottom bracket, and you're pedaling with wet feet. But it didn't suck. No. No, no, it didn't. 6:14 The thing that I like about beach riding is that it changes a lot. You know, different things wash up. The, the, the weather impacts it because half of your viewfinder is full of clouds and sky and water, right? 6:28 So all that reflects and it's a really interesting visual as a photographer. You know, it's like, I love that. Mm-hmm. The stormier, the better for me. Stormy weather. 6:40 It was a beautiful, beautiful bluebird day today, though. That was pretty kick-ass. We played Frisbee, man. I love playing Frisbee [laughs]. The, the weather could not have been better for this trip. No, yeah. 6:50 It's, uh... What was it, 70 degrees, 80 degrees? I think it was 50s overnight, so it was good sleeping weather as well. Yeah, it was. Even though our campground is right next to the pit toilet, but [laughs] 7:00 I think that's 'cause we're a group, and they stick you next to the- They stick you... Well, and we didn't have a trailer with a bunch of ATVs on the back either. Right. Mm-hmm. 7:08 We are a traveling freak show of fat bikes and- Speaking of traveling freak show of fat bikes- Yeah... so fatbike.com. This is- I've heard of them... the brainchild of you guys. How did this, uh, come about? 7:20 Was there a, a drunken- Well-... handshake at a Gnomefest? Greg started it. Well, and [laughs] yeah, at some point in the past, there must have been. It was, it was a long time ago. 7:30 We're past what, eight, nine years now? We're, we're coming up on the eight-year... Well, I think we've passed the eight-year anniversary- Right, yeah... 'cause it happens in the middle of summer. Right. 7:39 'Cause I started this thing about six months before I, I met Gomez in the past, but six months before we decided to work together. 7:48 So I'd already had the site kinda going, 'cause I saw a need, mostly selfish, just to tell other people about how awesome fat biking was back then. So it was a passion. This is fueled- Yeah... 7:59 by a passion for fat bikes and then- I mean, in the olden times, eight years ago or nine years ago, before the podcast even started, every single person that had a fat bike, I knew them- Yeah... in our area. Right, yeah. 8:09 There was nobody that, you know, you, you were kind of like, sort of the, uh, the weirdo that you built this thing. And yet- Was this, uh, like, when, like, Pugsley was the, the big f- like, as far as I know- Well-... 8:21 that was the big mass market first fat bike out there. Exactly. And other companies started to come along, but not everybody did right away. Right. 8:27 And that probably would've been what, eight years ago, or was there- More... Yeah, more than that, I started doing it. So at my first bike, I had to build. 8:34 It wasn't an off-the-shelf one, but our site basically started around the same time that that white Pugsley became available- And you're talking-... to the ma- to the whatever masses bought Pugsleys. And you're talk- 8:45 you're talking Schlick. Just after that, right. You're talking, right. Schlick Cycles? Um, I, w- we just built... Yeah, uh, from Tom Teasdale built one for me before. It wasn't even a Schlick at that point, so. Okay. 8:55 But I started the site just 'cause I wanted people to know about it and put stuff out there. I kinda had an idea that at some point it might pick up, and we might be able to make a couple bucks at it. 9:04 And, um, I met Gomez at Gnomefest 8. Mm-hmm. The Ocho. Ocho. And, uh- Was-... somehow we got to talking about this thing, 'cause he'd had a Pugsley for a couple years before that- Right... uh, even with a Rohloff on it. 9:18 Yeah. Ooh. And had run a race. Right. That, that would, like, the first race in Wisconsin. The Silver Lake, uh, not Silver Lake. Was it Silver Lake? No. Uh, held at Kettle. Was called the Team S- Snowbike Enduro. Enduro. 9:32 What was the lake that was on? Uh, the, the first one was not at a lake. It was at Kettle. It was at John Muir. Okay. And [laughs] I must have made the second one. 9:41 And we didn't get a permit or anything, and we had bikini girls, and it was, it was so kick-ass. Yep. Yeah. And there were, there were- How many was there? Uh, I knew everyone- You made people take their wheel off... 9:52 that owned a fat bike, so I invited all those people, and probably 15 of those 25 people that had fat bikes had white Pugsleys- They were the shit then... 'cause the completes had come out. Uh-huh. 10:03 Uh, so we devised this format of racing where the people who had bikes just randomly picked teammates like you'd pick in gym class. Uh-huh. 10:12 And then you rode three-person teams, a three-hour race, and whoever did the most laps wins, and you- Definitely... keep score yourself and- Right on. Not even everybody in the race had their own bike. 10:25 Right, so you share a bike. A lot of them were sharing bikes from the other team- Mm-hmm... that, teammates that had their own bikes. 10:30 And- And they're, and the Pugsley had a bolt-on front wheel, and is that when you made everybody take their front wheel off? That's correct. 10:36 And then [laughs] you, people had to run back and get a 15-millimeter wrench and wrench their wheel back on [laughs]. Yeah. Maybe. Some of them did, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. 10:44 That's what- I think you said, "If you don't, if you have that bolt-on wheel, you can carry a piece of wood out to the end." Right, you had to carry a log. [laughs] Which, you know. 10:52 And a Daytona start and, you know- Yeah... Gomez is kind of the master of making fun happen at events. Yeah. 10:57 So that was definitely- And that was one of the first ones where I, there, it sucked if you were too competitive. Like, uh- It was, it wasn't about competition. It was definitely a fun-based event. Right. Yeah. 11:06 I don't think any event we've ever done is really- [laughs]... been about- Right... except for that one race along Lake Michigan, uh, when- Mm, yeah, the mustache race... when, when Ma- Mache crushed that thing [laughs]. 11:17 Well, I'm talking about, like, uh, you can have the wrong... I shouldn't say the wrong people, but y- certain people can show up with the idea that they're here to win a race. 11:25 Um, I mean, we see that in single speeds all the time and- I think that was sort of the, the genesis of fatbike.com. We didn't want the wrong people. Mm-hmm. [laughs] Well, I, and- 11:35 And I guess, so when, when that kinda started, there probably wasn't, uh, with, with only, uh, steel bikes being the major player in the market, there wasn't a lot of carbon yet. 11:43 There probably, 907 maybe had some aluminum stuff, but that doesn't attract the race type usually, I guess I would say, especially when there's carbon in the rest of the market. 11:52 But you guys jumped in before all that stuff came out. Right. And obviously now there's, you know, wheels, there's- We were the weirdos. We, we would walk around Interbike and say, "Got any fat bike stuff?" 12:01 And they'd look at us like, "What are you doing here? Fat bikes are stupid." [laughs] True that. You know? Yeah. So, and, and the other-Media companies weren't interested because there wasn't that much to cover. 12:13 So, uh- Now you walk around [laughs]... I, I, I remember now, it was Kate Heil, uh, you reminded me, 'cause Kate Heil was at that first race. Oh, yeah. Kate Heil, uh, she's the person that said, "Hey, 12:26 Greg Smith has this, uh... or Sven [laughs] has, has this, uh- I was, I was Greg Smith back then. Yeah. I was before that, that's pre-Sven. "Has this website. You, you guys should work together." 12:35 And I was like, "Oh, yeah, that's a good idea." 'Cause, you know, I was blogging on other forums and whatnot- Yeah... and, uh, you know, I've always, I've always thought [laughs] I was a good, pretty good photographer. 12:49 [laughs] Yeah. 12:50 Yeah, I didn't become Sven until, until Gomez joined the team, and we decided to work together and both create content, and I'd run the tech side, he'd make the, make the money, because [laughs] I'm good at giving money away and stuff. 13:03 Mm-hmm. And I didn't become Sven until there was potentially... 13:08 Because we hadn't had any real, um, impact in the market yet that because I had a, an affiliation with Schlick Cycles, that it would just seem like a megaphone for Schlick Cycles- Mm... 13:17 because there weren't that many other fat bikes at this time yet, and it's just like, "Oh, look at our stuff we make. It's so cool." But that really was never the point of it. 13:25 The point was to show other people how cool fat biking is, regardless of what brand or how they do it. 13:32 But because of the kind of vision of impropriety, we decided that I should have a nom de plume, and Sven Hamer became... He gave me, like, five names to pick from [laughs] in an email. You got to pick your own name? 13:46 Yeah, he's like- You can't do that. [laughs]... "You, you can be, you can be, you can be Tiger McPaws or, you know, blah, blah, blah, or, or Sven Hamer." I'm like, "Sven." Was that the only English name? 13:55 Were they all- All Mexican... Mexican names, all Spanish names? [laughs] Yeah, no. No, there was- So I wanted to have an independent voice. Right. You know? And, and represent all brands. Mm-hmm. So- True that... 14:05 and I, I think- Sven, okay, you... at that time, we, we felt like we were fat bike evangelists. Yeah. We had found this new toy, [laughs] and we just wanted to say, "Dude, this is so much fun." Absolutely. You know? 14:18 So, and- That was, that was before we started making money at it. Yeah. For sure. 14:22 But it took a, it took a good year- But at the, at that same time, though, that independent editorial voice was like I had the mindset of, well, we're gonna become a non-print magazine, like a magazine business model. 14:33 So you sell advertising. Online magazine. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so- And that's where... How many test pilots are there today? Today, I think we have- There's an army? [laughs] We have, like, 14. Oh, that's it? 14:43 I try and keep in the teens somewhere, and try and- Try to keep them... keep a variety of different kinds of riders. Yeah. Because there's so many niches inside the niche. Yeah. Well, and that makes sense. 14:54 Herding, herding so many cats, you know, more than those cats. I mean, he, Gomez is doing the majority of the work now. Mm-hmm. 15:00 Because of a change in my life at one point a couple years ago, so he kind of took- You knock somebody up? Do you knock up your wife? 15:05 [laughs] Yeah, he took the majority of the site over, and does pretty much all of the content, and all of the herding of cats, and all of the getting of all of the product that we have on the site, and- Mm-hmm... 15:16 trying to find qualified pe- people to... [laughs] Well, I can see the reaction- I was, I was looking at Dave... definitely. Yeah. 15:24 [laughs] Like, I know when the Big Fat Dummy came out, maybe you were there at the first Puggsley Worlds where Sav from Surly was there. I'm like, "You need to make a Big Fat Dummy, a Puggsley cargo bike." 15:34 He's like, "The circles of people that will buy that will never happen," but I would be that guy. But there's also, now that the products have come so far, is there sub-20 pound fat bikes now? 15:44 Like, I know that I'm not the guy to test that thing and give a good review, and there's just such a range of products now. 15:48 I would say that you could make one, but I don't know if it would be something that would be durable and functional and like a- Well-... 15:56 a single speed fat bike that is carbon everything, I think you could get it to 20 pounds. You could race the fat bike Berkey on it and then give it back. You don't think Leia, you don't think Leia's bike is there? 16:04 It's 'cause she's not looking for, like, a hardcore mountain bike. She needs a rocket sled for that race. I think she's, she's in the 23 pound range, I think. And that's probably, and that's a small frame. 16:13 That's probably gotta be getting close. All right, it can be done. Yeah, ti- ti- tires are obvi- Yeah... one of the main limiting factors still. Tires just aren't light. 16:20 I mean, they're lighter than they were in the old days, but they're still not light. 16:24 But if you're out there in listener land and you wanna, you know, post a comment like, "My bike weighs this much"- Yeah, if you have a sub-20... um, hey, let me just share with you, fantastic. Thank you. 16:34 [laughs] That would've been nice yesterday. Good for you. [laughs] Exactly. I, I'm, I'm super stoked. 16:42 You know, send me a freaking picture and like some specs, and we'll, uh, we'll need a sample of your brain tissue, your shoe size, and, um, maybe your last, your next, your next last... 16:54 No, what, how, what's the terminology? Your next of kin, that's it, next of kin. Or your firstborn child. What do you need? [laughs] Okay, let's get back. 17:04 Well, so the bikes that we rode here yesterday, I rode the Surly Big Fat Dummy, long tail. I have, uh, the rack on front, and I carried- With the full podcasting set. Yeah. Which is- Which is no small feat. No. No. 17:16 But, uh, I'm not as good at packing as you guys obviously are, where you put all the... You use a lot- What are you trying to say, Sailor? [laughs] Sorry, I'm imitating Dave. 17:26 [laughs] So we got a peanut gallery in the back. We got Dave talking shit. We'll have him on in a minute, but, 'cause this is his rolling fat bike circus. But, uh, [laughs] so. Yeah. 17:37 Um, the gear that we just put on the bike. So are you gonna post pictures of that? Is that gonna be at fatbike.com? How we got everything on there? 17:42 Yeah, we should stop on that same bridge and take similar profile pictures of each bike. 17:46 And I didn't do-- I wanted to do it, you know, where people go backpacking and they lay out everything they're gonna use, like side by side- I know... 17:52 and take a big picture over the top and say, "This is all the stuff I have." I never have enough patience to do that. Yeah. But we still have time. We could lay it out on the road tomorrow before we leave. 18:00 [laughs] I could do it when I get back, because yeah, I didn't know what I was taking till I was like, I was literally grabbing stuff out of my truck in a parking lot, like, "I could use this. I could use that." 18:07 But, uh- I'm always testing gear, so I have, I-I have an evolution of, of different stuff that's always on, uh, a series of different bikes. 18:16 So I have a new Terrapin, Revelate Designs Terrapin 14-liter, um, seat bag system that's never been used. This is, like, the first trip it's been on. I saw that. Yeah. And I'm like, "I have never seen that before." 18:28 So is it... And it's, like, a unique situation where that bag got recalled. It got introduced, uh, it got recalled because of some C-clips that could catch in your spokes. Oh, that's the one. Yeah. Okay. 18:41 And, and just before the trip, they got the blue ones in, and I'm like, "Yeah, I'll take that on this trip. That'd be awesome." Nice. 18:48 So- So you review so much stuff, and I'm sure you get favorites out of the stuff you review. Oh, yeah. Sure. And- And, like, how do you just not always use your favorite thing? Oh, man. It's like, "Oh, I gotta test... 18:58 I mean, I really love that bag. That's my favorite bag. But I gotta test this other bag." And then suddenly you have a new lover because now that bag is here, and you have to take something better. 19:05 Hey, I got some new stuff for you. [laughs] I try and practice non-rigid thinking, and it's really hard to do and stay objective, is- I cannot believe he didn't chime in with non-rigid thinking. [laughs] Come on, Dave. 19:18 [laughs] No, we're gonna have Dave on- Come on. Other Dave on for dad jokes in a minute, but- Fire, fire, fire, fire. Yeah. Well, it's literally stuff that you don't listen- And the Jerry songs, dude. 19:26 You were belting them out in the bar earlier. So what do you call it? Non what thinking? Non-rigid thinking. Right. Okay. So, so, you know, it- I've preached it to you. You're like, "I only wanna ride a single speed. 19:38 I only ride a, wanna ride a steel bike." Yeah. "I only wanna ride this or that." And it's like- Is a long tail a single speed? Well- It is. You know. [laughs] Maybe. Well, half the time, shit breaks. 19:47 [laughs] Go outside your comfort range, face your fears. Those are the things, like- [laughs] Those are some of the, like, like, guiding philosophies of, uh, yeah, of being awesome, I think. 19:59 [laughs] World according to Gomez. Well, there's- There's rigid within a family, right? There's this like... Yeah. Like, I like coaster brakes. I don't have them on everything. Yeah. 20:07 I like single speed on most stuff, but I definitely see a, like, this trip would suck on a single speed- Oh, man... with a 150-pound bike. That would not have been fun. That would not have been fun. No. And, you know, 20:17 I, I read what the manufacturer says is better about this. Uh-huh. And I keep an open mind about that, too. It's like, okay, now I have the product. Does it do that? Yeah. 20:26 Um, you know- And then you're like, "This is, they nailed it," or, "This is bullshit." And I try and keep my mind open into that. 20:33 Like, my idea of riding is not everybody's idea of riding, so I try and put that in the reviews of here's where I rode it, here's how I used it. Um, you know, I'm not 20:45 a, I'm not a ultramarathoner, so I'm not gonna use this bag on a thousand-mile trip to Nome, so. But most people won't. That said, what's your first impressions? Of that bag? Yeah. 20:55 Um, I really like the component system, um, that the, it comes with a cradle and then a dry bag that fits into that cradle. And this is a seat bag, a pretty big one. 14 liters is pretty large. 21:06 I have my whole tent in there and some, like, and my, like, personal items, whatever they, whatever they call that. It would be a shaving item if I shaved. Maybe I'll start shaving my butt or something. Uh-huh. 21:19 Um, it also has a bleed valve on the- Super awesome... on the dry bag, which means I can pack it in there as hard as I can, and th- [laughs] and then, Dave- [laughs]... 21:31 I can lay all my weight on that s- on that bag with the valve just barely sticking out. And when all the air stops coming out, I close that valve, and the thing's like... 21:42 It's like when you, you know, you get the freeze-dried coffee- Uh-huh... and it's all sucked up together. Or- Vacuum sealed it... vacuum sealed. Yeah. 21:49 I can see that coming on the Sweet Roll, too, at some point down the road. Yeah. I, I would think so. That's- 'Cause it, it works like a non-valved dry bag now, so. 21:57 And that's the one thing that I would say about that company, uh, and Eric Parsons, is he, he drives the development in that, in that segment. Mm-hmm. Uh- And Dustin too now. Yeah, and Dustin too. 22:10 And they have a lot of really... They just- They, they have some fantastic athletes like Lael Wilcox, um- And this is all Revelate Designs you're talking about, is it? So we're not gonna get into the JP thing, right? 22:21 Probably not. I don't know. It's Spinner's show. [laughs] Well, I was gonna give it to you. Oh, now it's Spinner's show. While we're talking about the, uh... [laughs] Sorry. We're talking about the waterproof. 22:30 I wasn't talking too much, you guys. No, that's fine. Fuck. I would say just for this trip especially, waterproof is pretty important. 22:35 I know a lot of times it's, uh, you know, people have waterproof shit just to have it, but we're liter- literally riding in Lake Michigan half the time. Right. And if you fall over- Literally. Yeah... 22:44 but any trip, it can rain cats and dogs. It can. You know, so. [laughs] Yeah. I think, uh- Waterproof is- I would, I would've been... You know, fortunately it didn't rain. Right. 22:54 And it's not about to, as far as I could tell. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But I did have half my rig on the bike still for today's ride, which was quite wet. We were in the water- Yeah... a- It was over the hubs a few times. Yeah. 23:06 [laughs] And you know what I was surprised about? I don't know if the water's different over here, but my bike didn't float up like it does sometimes. 23:11 Maybe that's 'cause there's extra me and extra that on the bike, and it's holding it down, but. I don't know. I- [laughs] We, we had a fun day. 23:20 We had to, like, get a little creative to find some adventure, but- Mm-hmm... it's fun, man. We found- My, my hat's off to you. You, you found the, you found a way. You were... You... 23:29 And, you know, the peanut gallery w- resisted your, uh, your use of the force, and you Jedi mind tricked us right back out on the beach. It was pretty awesome. Oh, were we gonna go back? I don't remember. 23:42 [laughs] Well, it, it, it turned out better than we could've hoped for, I think. I mean, we were... This... We came here specifically for the beach. It's why we took the ferry and rode 50 miles to get here. Yeah. 23:52 Is because this is the last vestige of dune-age or beach-age- Yeah... on Lake Michigan right now. And there's probably an average of five feet of beach, would you say? 24:00 And if you're not on that five feet, you're in the water. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah. So there's a tree down. You're riding in the lake around that tree, and you go out to, and yeah, I think everybody rode everything. 24:09 If Pat Smage was here, he wouldn't have been wet at all, I bet. [laughs] He could've jumped that stuff. [laughs] Yeah. So- And there's a lot of, uh, front yards. 24:16 We saw a lot of cool beach houses, a lot of, like, hot moms and the kids out on the beach. [laughs] At, at one of the... 24:21 Uh, when we were heading south, at one of the turnaround spots, we probably could've gone a little further, but this fella had built out a really kickass, like-Dock, not dock, like a porch almost out into the lake and- It was like a walkway that ended in, in the middle of nowhere. 24:37 Yeah. And Dave and I were up there looking further down the beach to see if we could see a way past it, and he came walking down the stairs, and he had to be in his maybe 70s. 24:46 He was- There was one point where he said, "Hope you're still around next time we come here." [laughing] I was like, "That was smooth." 24:53 Well, what he-- Yeah, I mean, he had just said how much the shoreline had changed in the last two years. 24:57 How much he'd lost, how much the people down there, how much all of their stuff, not necessarily their houses, but their, their access to beach. And how far that thing had gone out before, and how much beach. 25:09 There had been 100 feet of beach past this thing, and the water was now underneath it. And he said, "I sure hope the seasonal averages come back because this is really high, and they're worried about this fall," so. 25:21 Mm-hmm. Global warming. But it's cool, it's cool talking to local knowledge because these people know what's happening here. Yeah, the people that live on this lake, you know, it's like, um, it's their neighbor. Mm-hmm. 25:32 Hey, neighbor. Hey, neighbor. So did we de-derail your first podcast yet? No, I think you're good. [laughing] This is about-- Do you wanna talk about your good buddy and friend- Oh, dude, this is-... Jay Petervary? No. 25:42 Please no, he's not my- I, I think this is a good idea to- He's not my buddy, but... Let us ask you about what your Burning Bike Podcast is gonna be about. 25:51 I know some of these answers, but I'd like to hear you- You wanna hear me say them out loud... express it, yeah. Yeah. 25:55 Yeah, because, you know, I'm sure the listen-listeners are interested of why we have, why we have these different podcasts. Okay, this podcast is your fault. Right. Exactly. I know. [laughing] We've had a few guests. 26:06 [laughing] So we've had a few guests on the Dose of Fat, and there's been a few times where we did not practice our signals before. Um, I remember, especially when Brett Stepanek was talking through his, uh, uh... 26:20 If you kn- Brett Stepanek is, um, a very interesting dude. He's done Tour Divide a few times. He places pretty high. He rides AZT Cal- uh, Trail, Colorado Trail. 26:30 Um, but the-- He hops on a bike on a single speed, and he's a, he's a different guy. He's got a different mindset. And as he's telling these stories, I'm just listening to him talk, and I'm asking questions. 26:40 It's kinda like this, and we're going through them like, "What kind of food do you eat? Why do you do this? What was your mindset?" 26:44 And he's talking about the music he listens to, and, um, he doesn't get too comfortable when he sleeps 'cause he wanna wa- wants to wake up. And Gomez is like, "Rip this son of a bitch up." 26:51 [laughing] I'm like, "I wanna know more about that story. I wanna dive deeper." And Gomez is like, "Did you race? Did you win? Cool. Next." [laughing] We have a contrasting style. 27:03 [laughing] Well, see, I think one of the pro- one of the things is that, that both Gomez and I have been doing this quite a while, and, and Spinner's almost still a fanboy. Yeah. 27:13 He really, he re- I mean, you know, when you're kind of in the trenches and you meet people all the time, it's not like I'm meeting, you know, Steven Tyler from Aerosmith for the first time. 27:24 I'm, I'm working with him every day. Mm-hmm. And I'm kind of-- I'm past Steven Tyler now. He's not really even my buddy anymore. Sorry, Steven. But, but, yeah. Sorry, man. 27:32 I mean, I'm not saying that you specifically- Did you shit on Steven Tyler on the podcast? [laughing] He's never gonna be on now. Yeah, no. Not, not anymore. No. 27:40 Um, but the-- Spinner really is still curious about what people are doing, and I think that's great. Mm-hmm. Well, and I like to like-- I do the same thing at a bar, same thing at a campfire. 27:50 Then when I go to an event or a race, almost the coolest part is after the race when you're hanging out, and who stays and tells stories and, and this kinda thing. Kinda like what we've been doing the whole day. 27:59 There's so many times we've been talking today and telling stories, like the Petervary thing we talked about that we're not gonna talk about here. But the, [laughs] uh, the truth is- I just don't wanna get into trouble. 28:08 There's- Oh, yeah? Uh, Salsa will fire you too? [laughs] Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. Gomez? I-- We could talk about it, dude. W- the thing is, is like none of us read the stuff that got him fired. 'Cause you can't. 28:22 We, we saw the-- You know, we never saw those posts. So I, you know, I- Yeah... I think us talking about it is, it's hearsay. You know? And I, I j-just say it's a shame for everybody. 28:34 I don't think it's good for Salsa, I don't think it's good for the ultra endurance ra- ultra marathon racing, and I don't think it's good for Jay Petervary. So s- where's the wi- Well- Who wins out of this? Wait. 28:46 We've said enough without explaining the situation. [laughing] Let's ex- let's explain the situation a little bit. I was gonna, I was gonna-- Without getting into the situation, I was just gonna say- At a high level... 28:53 that this w- that something like this in that ultra scene is bound to happen sooner or later because it was such an underground thing. Mm-hmm. And so few people were doing it, and Jay was one of the first. Right. Right? 29:04 And- And doing the ultra stuff... has organized events at doing these ultra things, and now people are doing it that are more, um, both competition oriented and also commercialized. 29:13 So they wanna do the whole Tour Divide, and they want every drone shot from every descent that they're doing, and they wanna make a movie about it after so that they can build their brand, pimp the people that they're representing, make other people money. 29:27 And it was bound to happen at some point that this type of an event is gonna get big enough where it's gonna take on that commercial aspect. And I think this situation got caught up in that to some extent. Okay. 29:38 And let me just- That's my understanding of it, yeah... we still didn't, we just still didn't explain the situation. So at a, at a high level, Jay Petervary ra-raced for Salsa in this ultra stuff. And 45 North. 29:48 He got fired from both. And 45 North. And there is a new racer, um- Lael Wilcox... Lael Wilcox. There was some sort of disagreement, some online back and forth. Salsa and Jay Petervary and 45 North has split ways. True. 30:03 That's it. That's the- It- That's the high level view without any- Right... r-reason behind why it happened. Right. And- Which we don't have the whole story. Lael, Lael had a film crew following her and- On Tour Divide. 30:14 Sure... and that was not against the rules. They had apparently changed the rules to allow for that, and Jay apparently had a problem with that. Well, the rule is that- Again, that's hearsay. 30:24 [laughs] Well, yeah, but- 'Cause we don't know... but the rule was nobody that is close to you can have any contact with you. 30:29 Oh.And that's what he had an issue with, as far as I-- [laughs] I'm not saying-- I'm not getting into it here, but- Because outside of racers- Yeah... 30:37 you can talk to racers or racing- So you can't even call your wife while you're on that trip to get any kind of personal support. This is supposed to be a you against the mountain and the trail thing. Oh. 30:47 Not so much ag- This is the, this is the Jay side, the ultra thing. Okay, so that is the rules of the race or that's what Jay thinks the race should be? This is not a question I have an answer to. [laughs] Okay. 30:57 [laughs] So here's my suggestion- Yeah... Spinner. Get Jay on the show and ask him. Yeah, get Jay on the show. We'll get Jay on the show. See? This is a perfect show 'cause it, you know- Right... 31:05 probably only has one listener right now. [laughs] Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, Rob's listening very intently. [laughs] Well, no, I-I've seen a documentary from this race. Yeah? 31:14 And that was one thing they specialized saying, like, "This is you- Yeah... against" We'll, we'll bring, we'll bring you on in a minute. Oh, okay. Hopefully possibly. If he's, if he's gonna be on, then he's gotta be on. 31:25 The, the audience here, uh, can't ha- hold out anymore. The peanut gallery is now ready. All right, Rob has something to say, folks. Hi, I'm the Michigan connection. The Michigan connection is on. 31:37 And I watched a couple documentaries of the Tour Divide. Okay. And the whole way it was spoke to me, it is you against the trail. You can't have any outside assistance from friends, family, sponsors, anything. 31:52 You have to go-- If you need p- supplies, you have to go on your own to a grocery store or a bike shop and get what you need. You can't have people waiting there, support for you. Okay, just one second. Right? 32:02 So if you don't know what Tour Divide is, that's another thing I like to explain what things are because I don't know most things either. 32:07 Tour Divide is a race from Banff, Canada, to Mexico across the Rocky Mountain range. On the- Correct... on the Great Divide. On the trail. On the- Yeah, on the Great Divide Trail... continental divide. 32:16 So, so it's a, it's a big race. Takes almost a month to do. I think 18 days is the record, but okay, continue. And it's- Well, it's all about being self-supportive. 32:24 You have to-- What you start with, you have to end with, and people can't come to you and give you aid. True. If you break down, you need to find your own repairs along the way. True. 32:34 And to go even a step further, you cannot get emotional support. You can't sleep with your wife or your husband at the end- Yeah... of the day and get all that love from them to make you feel better about yourself. 32:46 Yeah, they can't, they can't, they can't visit you. Yeah, exactly. They can't visit you. They can't talk to you. That's so, you know. 32:50 There was a situation on this last one where there was contact between one party and another, and her friend was running the film crew. Oh. 33:01 Even though-- Okay, even though she said she was on a mountaintop looking down, directing it, you still know she's there. That's still support. That's where this whole thing started. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. 33:12 So that is the main argument. I, I get that because they- As far as, as far as I understand. So now we're along really nice in this thing. 33:16 If I'm waiting, Rob, and I see my wife in the distance filming me, I still feel her love. Right. [laughs] Yeah. Not, not like-- No, she's in New York watching, like hoping he's okay, you know? Just... So okay. 33:27 So we see what happened there. Somebody said this, uh, how, this is not how it should work. They said some things. People said- And this may not be the way it happened. [laughs] Yeah. I-- It's all hearsay. 33:37 And, and apparently, you know, things didn't stay civil, like they don't on the internet, and, you know, we live in a very, uh... We're-- We live in a society where common courtesy is out the window, man. Mm-hmm. 33:51 You know? Uh... Yeah, especially with a group like that when they're both athletes and participants, but they're not k- k- And at a really high level, too. 33:59 Yeah, like they're not racing each other, which is a bit odd, but... Yeah. It, it-- I wish we could have, you know, discussion, debate, and we didn't have to bring in all of the, uh... 34:09 I wish people would not judge and... I'm guilty of it too, though. Dang it. Dang it, I'm part of the problem. But the biggest thing is saying we don't know, but we do wanna speculate something happened- Yeah... 34:20 and we have to speculate because we don't know the real story. Right. And we, it was reported here. 34:24 But let's, so let's, let's make a pledge of we'll do everything in our power, you know, let's put the Wonder Twins power together and become a rhinoc- a wooly rhinoceros and- Who's the Wonder Twins? You two? 34:36 [laughs] I was, I was looking at you. Oh. But that would be weird. All right. I know. But, uh- Qu- What are you doing over there, Rob? Yeah, don't, don't fidget, man. Don't touch the, don't touch the equipment, man. 34:48 [laughs] I got touched by a lens. It scared me. [laughs] So- Yeah, it'll scare you. 34:52 Yeah, I think, you know, this day and age when things can go off the rails so quickly and people are so sensitive about things and, you know, everybody grew up differently. Mm-hmm. 34:59 Everybody's sensitive about different stuff. You get a groundswell of people sensitive about certain things, it can really affect... And, and the internet, all it does is damp down 35:10 my ability to control my feelings and just type stuff out because I'm not really yelling at you directly. Oh. Mm-hmm. 35:17 Well, the thing about this race, too, and I'm sure, well, this whole situation, anybody can say anything who has maybe never rode a bike. They may be-- They might ride a Walmart bike. 35:25 They might or, you know, if they just see something like, "I know this. I know this. You're anti-feminist. You're anti-whatever," and then they blow up. I gotta have another beer. This is getting pretty deep. 35:35 [laughs] Yeah, man. Yeah. I'm gonna go- I wish there was, I wish there was something let's- I'm gonna go grab an All Day IPA real quick. You guys continue. We can take a break. Take-- No, no, you guys are- Okay... 35:43 you talk amongst yourselves. You got Rob. Let's find a, let's find a way to, uh, you know, find something positive out of this situation. Let's, uh, that's what I say. For the people, you know, 35:56 I'm not in charge of any of this stuff. I'm just, I'm- What, there's an open spot on the Salsa race team if you could? [laughs] Yeah, n-no. But-- 'Cause they don't want, they don't want a 60-year-old guy. 36:08 You'd look good in chili pepper spandex. Yeah. [laughs] Um, but, you know, call me. [laughs] Call me if you wanna pay somebody to race your stuff. Call me, whoever's running Salsa these days. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Gomez. 36:22 1-800-GOMEZ. 1-800-GOMEZ. But anyway, that's, that's that situation. Well, cool. I had one-- I had something I wanted to share before I hand the mic over to somebody else.Well, while you think about that- Okay... 36:37 Rob, what are you riding? Right now I'm riding a 2015 Sus- Oh... I mean, Trek Farley 7, basically stock except for the cockpit and the brakes. Johnny Keliley. [laughs] Yeah, Johnny Keliley. Yeah, dude. 36:50 [laughs] But, but I... Don't get me wrong, I mean, I started racing BMX in '77 on DGs, so I mean, I'm an old-school peddler. Oh, he's got cred, yo. Yeah. So you're over here on the Michigan side. 36:58 We call you Michigan connection because that's what- I meet you guys on this side of the ferry. Yeah, okay. Is the tattoo- And you, you drove down and rode up with us... 37:04 is the tattoo on your calf, is that a tattoo of you on a bike? Yeah, that is from 2002 at Rock Cut State Park in Rockford, Illinois, on my Karate Monkey. Yeah. Single speed, rigid. That's where you and I met- Yeah... 37:18 in the suburbs of- And I, and I got second place in that race on a single speed rigid bike with... the only 29er in the field. Mm-hmm. So I was a pioneer in the 29er thing. I was late for the boat for the fat bikes. 37:28 Did you wear overalls? And did you- Yes, bandex in the tattoo... did, did, did people refer to you as sod buster? [laughs] No, I, I, I was on a sponsor team, so I had a matching kit. Ooh. Yeah. Rah. 37:40 Wheel Fast Racing out of, um, Lyle, Illinois. That's what first attracted me to you. [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] With your matching kit. [laughs] You say what's going on? What Illinois town? Lyle. Lyle, Illinois. Yeah. 37:49 I mean, I'm one of these people where I started racing at a young age, BMX. Mm-hmm. Then college and life years disappeared. 37:57 In the 30s, I got back into racing, and within three years of mountain bike racing I was an expert. Raced expert all through my 30s, then I got fat and slow, and in the 40s I was a sport. 38:08 And now I'm into my 50s, and I just ride for the hell of it. I don't race anymore, 'cause that's just, that's- That's my style. Yeah. 38:14 I wanna stop and smell stuff and drink stuff and look at stuff, and- This is the trip for you. Yeah. Oh, I, I love this trip. He still puts the power down, man, but still puts the power down. Uh-huh. 38:21 I mean, that's all about. I mean, it's like no more, no more racing unless I wanna beat someone up a hill. But it, it's like a quick race, but- Mm-hmm... I don't race, period, anymore. It's just not my thing. I do. What? 38:33 But not like that. [laughs] I guess I tried last year. I tried it at last year's Birkie, but it did not go... 38:38 I did not win very much, and I got beat by a girl, and beat by, by a lot of girls, but one specific girl I was trying to beat. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Don't you mean woman? Woman. [laughs] Oh, no, no. 38:47 Act- actually, the other gender. Yeah, the comments on this thing are gonna be- Yeah. [laughs] Old brown shit fuckers. Old white guys. Talking about- How dare you assume gender? Oh, no. She'll tell you. 39:00 [laughs] Talking about our co-host, Leia Schneeberger, uh- Hi, Leia... the dose of fat. Hi, Leia. She's probably gonna be one of your- Guess what, Leia?... one of your core listeners. You look really nice today. Yeah. 39:09 Have I... Has anybody told you that, you know, today you really pulled it together? [laughs] I know- Dang... [laughs] Dang. That's how you put her in the mood, and then she's friendly. 39:19 You've said that to her on the phone so many times when you haven't seen her that day. She knows the secret, though. And she's, and she- We should do a shout-out to Wanda Kennedy, and Lisa don't know your last name. 39:27 [laughs] But you taught me that trick, and yeah, buddy. Damn. It's not the first time Wanda's name came up this weekend. I know. Little weird. You know, we have rag... We, we should talk about... 39:37 We should get Dave over here and maybe talk about rag, Brad. We're gonna bring on both the Daves in a minute. All right. Do you remember what you were gonna talk about? Mm. You wanted to share something. I know. 39:48 Then we interrupted. It was- Then we interrupted you. It was profound. Then we interrupted you. Hey- It was profound... stop that, man. [laughs] Um, had something to do with bikes, boat, and a goat. 39:59 Oh, that's what it was. All right, so bikes, boat, and a goat. You think it's a goat, but it could be bikes, boat, greatest of all time. Oh, the GOAT. Think about it. None of us are doing that. 40:13 [laughs] That could be a T-shirt right there. Oh. Bikes, boat, greatest of all time. We'll have Dave explain why there's a goat- The Muhammad Ali thing?... when he named the event, when he gets on. 40:22 Muhammad Ali was a goat. Yeah, greatest of all time. Mm-hmm. Michael Jordan, GOAT of all time. I think it's always arguably- Richard Petty- It's a goat... greatest of all time. GOAT. Arguably greatest of all time. 40:33 Dave Lunz, goat. [laughs] Goat of West Allis. Yeah, there's- GOAT of West Allis... you're gonna make me say bad words. [laughs] That's okay. Hey, I'm gonna tell you about this. This is the greatest trip of all today. 40:46 Yeah. There you go. There you go, greatest trip of all today. Yeah. However that works. I think we- We got a really good group of guys here that are not too like, "This is what needs to happen." 40:55 Even like you, like, we need to get up there, and when b- coming into this event, there was not a lot of, "I just know I'm gonna show up at that boat at 6:00 and do whatever." It'll all work out. 41:04 And it'll all work out, and I'll go home- It was brilliant... the day everybody goes home or the day after, because Dave sent me the wrong dates on the return ferry. 41:11 [laughs] So this trip goes home on Sunday, um, August 4th. Dave sent me a text with a picture saying, "8/1/2019 through 8/5/2019," so I booked that trip. 41:23 And I get on the boat, and on the way over, they're like, "No, we're going home on the 4th." Shoot, I have to spend an extra day on my bike over here. [laughs] Darn it. Luckily, Lake Express let me change that. 41:33 I was worried about hanging out for another day, but, uh, we got it straightened out. Right on. All right, on. Anything else you wanna say before we bring in the Daves for- Not really. We got dad jokes and explanation... 41:44 well, welcome to the Fat Bike Radio family. Woo-hoo. Uh- Spinner... Spinner- Getting a show going... the Spinner Riersen. There's a heck of a burning fire over there now. There is. The Burning Bike Podcast. 41:56 This is the Burning Bike. You can tune in, uh, I don't know- The Burning Bike, man... every, every now and again. Yeah. 42:02 That, uh- Hey, if you're gonna get Dave in, maybe he can talk about when he burned your bike at, uh, Takora, the time trial. He did burn my bike. And we can talk... You can talk about that. Yeah. 42:10 I'm, I'm tapping out, guys. All right. Uh, it's been great to be on your show, Spinner. Thank you. I wish you the best of luck. I think, uh, we'll get you on, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm doing the- Catch-... 42:18 the Full Spectrum Cycling Podcast- Catch Spinner... and we'll get you on that one. On Interday Cycles, yes. You gotta plug your sponsors, which is yourself. Well, I'm not that guy, though. I don't... 42:26 I, um, Gomez knows this better than anyone. [laughs] How are you gonna sell your stuff if nobody knows about it? Yeah, I don't really care. Oh. [laughs] Everyday Cycle's got- You know what? 42:33 If- If I don't sell it, I get to keep it and use it... if you don't wanna buy my shit, don't buy my shit. If you do, stop by the store. I mean, I don't know. I'm not pushing this that hard. [laughs] I'm so... 42:41 I'm doing well, obviously. How are you? So, yeah. Hey, if they're, they're keeping the place open and the heat on and, or air conditioning or whatever's going on, and guys- Yeah... are getting paid and whatever. 42:49 You can afford enou- afford enough beer for Tony to drink? Yes, except he buys beer most of the time when we do the show. Oh. So I got that going for him. There you go. 42:57 [laughs] As long as he brings it in.I even said today, if-- I always try and if I'm gonna buy something, like for instance, this podcasting gear, I went to the wizard and said, "What should I get?" 43:11 He's like, "Well, how much money you got?" [laughing] True that. And then he whipped it out on the table, he's like, "Well, this is out of date. You need to do this. Where's your grease for your cords?" I know. 43:20 [laughing] See, that's, that's why- I don't know... that's, that's, that's why he's the yin and I'm the yang. Uh-huh. That's why we're a team. And you need both. Yeah, exactly. All right. 43:31 Well, a-again, good to be on your show, Spinner. I'm gonna get out of the seat so some of these other guys can get in. Yeah, me too. Come on. All right. Come on. Uh, thanks, Spinner. Thank you, guys. Oh, that's me. 43:42 Let's do a pause. That's you. Let's take a break, and when we return, Dave and Dave. [upbeat music] So I heard you need a fat bike. Come to Zion Cyclery in Zion, Illinois. 43:52 We have all brands: Trek, Borealis, Salsa, Felt, Surly, and more. Yo, we have all the cold weather gears by 45NRTH and Bontrager. Keep those fingers and toes nice and toasty. We fix bikes also. 44:09 So you have any problem, brakes, gears, suspension, we have the best mechanics in town. So yeah, visit us at zioncyclery.com. You're tuned to Fat Bike Radio. 44:28 Welcome back to the show. We're here with Dave, Rob, and other Dave. Dave once. Uh, how are you? Dave, West Allis, Wisconsin. West Allis. You used to work for Hayes Brakes. I used to. Now you're a welder. 44:40 In, uh, the Bike Smiths in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. There you go. Yeah. Now I'm a ironworker. And Rob, you do- Niles, Michigan, and I am a used car sales manager. Nice. And you were on the previous session. Yes. 44:54 And other Dave, you started Harley-Davidson in 1947. [laughing] 1914. Uh, 20, 20 years now. Um. [laughing] Not quite that long. Yeah. You, you invented the motorcycle? I, I assume your last name is Harley-Davidson. 45:08 Nah, that's good enough. No, your, your middle- That's close enough... your middle name's Harley. And the last name Davidson, yeah. Okay. Yeah, broken motorcycle- So, and we're just calling- He invented the e-bike... 45:16 done. Okay. Chunk Motorman on Instagram. We can talk about that. We can talk about Harley's e-bike business. Nah, I don't know nothing about it. [laughing] We don't wanna talk about that. 45:24 So Dave, this is your brainchild. We are here in Silver Lake, Michigan, bikes, boat, and a goat trip. Hopefully a goat. Okay. Where did this come from? 45:34 Um, well, the first time we did this trip, we actually ran into a goat. Um, but you actually, when you saw the title Bikes and a Boat, you thought you saw bikes and a goat. Oh, is it-- did I start this? Yeah. Oh. 45:46 So then I'm like, "Okay, well, I gotta go find a goat," so- Well, I wasn't on the initial trip. So th-the first- Yeah... 45:52 fat bike trip that you took, you're like, 'cause there's the ferry, high-speed ferry in Milwaukee to Muskegon. Yep. And you're like, "We're gonna go over there and ride that beach." Yeah. 45:59 Who was the first, who was the first time? What-- when was the first trip? Uh, I don't know, like seven, eight years ago now. How many have you- Gomez was there. Greg was there. Um, me. 46:11 Is it your trip or are you just like, "Hey buddies, I'm going. You wanna come?" Um, well, there was this woman in my life at the time, and she had a house down there. [laughing] Oh, wow. Oh, I've heard about that. 46:21 No wonder. I've heard it's a nice house. Yeah, yeah, we were, we were onto her house. Mm. Um, which was the opposite direction. I'm no longer allowed at that house, so [laughing]... Weird. Oh, yeah. 46:31 Um- There's a few houses you're no longer allowed in. True. Probably. [laughing] Probably. Um- Okay, so there's-- okay, so I realize- Uh, so we, yeah, we took the boat over... so you had the destination. 46:41 Yeah, we, we did a couple, uh, two, three days. It was our first four-day, so we're ramping it up a notch. And the thing was just fat biking on the beach. Yep. You rode the beaches- Yep... 46:50 from the ferry to whatever destination. Yeah, the first time we actually rode from my house, or Lisa rode to my house- Ooh... from Tulsa to Stalis. Then we rode down to the boat. Tulsa is Da-Tulsa is in? 47:00 Tulsa, uh, it's just, uh, whatever, it's got- Mawa-Mawataza? Yeah. Okay. Uh, a mile or two from- So this is both on the Wisconsin side? Yeah, yeah. 47:07 A mile or two from my house, and then we rode down from my house straight down Lincoln Avenue to the boat. And then, uh, we got on the boat and rode to her house. So we actually did the- Just the two of you? Uh, no. 47:17 Uh, Gomez was there. Was Greg? Greg, were you there on the first one? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um, who else was there? Who else goes on a date and gets to bring two buddies? Right? [laughing] [laughing] Rock stars. 47:29 No wonder you're not together anymore. [laughing] Right. [laughing] True. That's, that's my-- one of the many reasons, um. [laughing] Okay. That and, and nevermind, um. [laughing] Um, but that time we did it, yeah, we-- 47:43 I think Greg actually rode down. Gomez drove down. Greg rode down from Whitefish Bay, so a lot of us did it on bikes alone. No cars involved all weekend. But this was fat bikes. Yes. And the plan was to ride the beach. 47:55 Yeah. And no camping. And back then- You stayed at her house. Yeah, we, yeah, we had pretty nice accommodations, yeah. And then you guys- Boom, boom, boom [burping] Boom, boom. Thanks. [laughing] Loved it in her couch. 48:06 Maybe. And you're like, "Well, let's ditch the chick and just take my buddies over there." That's right. [laughing] Yeah, now, now we gotta go the opposite direction, yeah. Oh, she lives south? Yeah. 48:13 [laughing] And I only ride north. Okay, I got it. Oh, south. Well, actually this week, uh, in Grand Haven is, uh, Coast Guard Week too, which is like the busiest week of the summer. Okay. 48:22 And, um, we, we probably couldn't have got a campground, but it might've been a hell of a time to be in town to party and just pass out on the beach or whatever, you know? 48:30 We're having a good time up here with, uh- Oh, fuck it... this is such a weird town. Dude, so many Broncos and Jeeps, dude. It's fucking awesome. And there's Mormons around and- There's a couple Mormons. 48:38 They're not Mormons, Mennonites. Mennonites, that's the difference. They're-- yeah. And, uh, Rob needs a couple Mennonites to get off or something. I don't know. [laughing] At least they don't need a goat. Yeah. 48:49 [laughing] And the goat. I'd rather have a goat, tell you the truth. [laughing] So one time you were riding through and you saw a goat. Now this trip is- Yeah. I'm, uh-... 48:55 bikes, which are the bikes we're riding, boat, which is a ferry- We, we actually found a goat-... to get to the goat... 'cause you thought it said goat. I'm like, "All right, cool, yeah, we'll throw a goat in." 49:01 And that day actually, um, before we got on the boat, I went, I was at Walgreens gathering some shit, and I found some farm animals, and there was a goat in it. 49:08 So I actually bought a goat, a little plastic goat.And then we saw a real live goat that was, uh, trying to gather up money for his college fund. On this side. [laughs] There's a goat- Yeah... 49:18 uh, tied outside the bar with a college fund? Yep. [laughs] And the guy was, the guy was playing guitar, and the, the goat was just standing there, so, you know, of course we donated to his college fund. 49:28 [laughs] After a few beers it sounded like a good idea, you know. And, um, so we actually did see a goat that time. Yeah. So the... Yeah Yeah... this trip has kinda turned into a bar hop to wherever we land. Right. Yeah. 49:39 So Ride the Beach and- Well, yeah, yeah. This year, um, we, we had the lofty goal of getting to Silver Lake in the first day, which we managed to do after nine hours of riding and bar hopping. Riding and bar hopping. 49:51 [laughs] And drinking a lot of beer. After a lot of Michigan beer you switch to Oberon. Yep. High Life today. Oh, yeah. Yep, yep. Uh, right, right where you cross the border I, I was on the Oberon. Um, but, um- True. 50:02 [laughs] But that la... Yeah, last time it took us 12 and a half hours to ride, what, 20 miles? Well, we drank a lot more beer. Yeah, we did. Yeah. Um- So other day, what are you riding? A Surly. [laughs] A Pugsley. 50:18 Ex- Yeah. Oh. [laughs] I know what it is. People can't see your bike. Oh, yeah, a Pugsley. [laughs] It's right over there. Uh, that I, that I- You don't need to explain it to me... 50:24 that I bought secondhand, and I have a couple of bags on it I got from my birthday. Uh-huh. Big Ortlieb waterproof bags and, um- Are you a regular-... a frame bag... are you a regular bike packer, bike camper? 50:38 Uh, I don't s- call myself that, but I suppose I do it more often than I admit. Oh, you're- RAGBRAI veteran... you just came off a RAGBRAI. I did come off a RAGBRAI. That ended Saturday last week. 50:50 Saturday last week, and I went to work for, like, three days and was spacey, and then, "See ya. I'm going on another one." [laughs] Yeah. And they're like, "Uh, you're gonna be on another bike trip?" 51:00 So when is RAGBRAI end, when does RAGBRAI end, Sunday or Saturday? Uh, it ends Saturday, but we ended on Friday. Partied in the last town and then drove out on Sunday and went home. So you got home Sunday night. 51:10 You worked- Oh, Saturday... Saturday. Got home Saturday. Okay. Said hello, uh, family. My son had a sleepover, my daughter went to bed right away, and my wife's like, "Leave me alone." Okay. It was great. 51:22 [laughs] I'm gonna go hang out with 16 year olds in Michigan. I slept a long time. Ah, slept a long time, and then I woke up, and I'm like, "Oh, go to work." Well, they went to church, 51:33 and I went to dirt church, rode my mountain bike. [laughs] There you go. And then, uh, yeah, then I had to go to real work. Did that for three days and then like, "See ya," and here I am on this trip. 51:45 [laughs] And it's been fantastic. I mean, fill me up with some beers, let me puke on the beach. Yeah- Yeah... you'd be dead all right. He fed the fishes. [laughs] At the same time. Right. [laughs] Was that... Yeah. 51:57 So yeah. [laughs] Don't, don't leave a half can of beer sitting in low tide, 'cause, uh, the lake water in there- [laughs] So you're blaming the lake water-... with some sand... 52:05 for you throwing up this morning on the bike. Oh, my God. I think it was the sand in the lake water. Yeah. 'Cause his can tipped over. It wasn't the loaded mashed potatoes or... No, you had a veggie omelet. 52:12 I had a veggie omelet. Yeah. There wasn't all the vegetables in it. Oh, my gosh. Did you see it all when it was floating away? [laughs] I, I ate a bunch of meat. I didn't puke, so- I was worried about you. 52:20 You threw up for four minutes straight. Yeah, it was fantastic. Yeah, it, it was like five decent- I had to walk away twice... fucking Power Pearls, or Power pearls. [laughs] That big puke. 52:27 I was worried about the dog- guy walking a dog coming down the beach. [laughs] I'm like, "That dog is gonna eat that puke." That dog's gonna eat all that puke. 52:32 [laughs] When I grabbed that can of beer and I took a swig and I'm like, "Oh, this is lake water. Oh, there's a couple pieces of sand in there." [laughs] And I think my body was like, "Get this out." 52:42 What was even better, so- "Get it out"... let me set the scene here, 'cause we... There's this historic lighthouse, um, right up the beach from where this happened. 52:50 Um, there was a bunch of families hanging out, and we rode down a little ways, not too far, but, uh- Little Sauval Point... Little Sauval Point, yes. Yeah, remember that? And then the hot grandmas. 52:59 And then you got almost naked. There was some hot grandmas. Yeah, hot grandmas. And you got almost naked, so you were standing in your bike shorts, and you, uh- In their see-through... Gomez brought a Frisbee. Right. 53:06 But Spinner, you were standing in your freaking underwear. They weren't even bike shorts. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. [laughs] There's no shame. 53:12 Well, yeah, but so- No, but, but the point I'm trying to get at is as people were walking, you got up to the beach and started puking, and you couldn't even put your pants on. 53:19 [laughs] So you're standing in- That's true... your shammy shorts- It's true... throwing up, and there's, like, families there, and you're like, "But I can't, I can't put my pants on." 53:27 Yeah, there was nothing we could say. I got bigger problems over here. So we rode through this family, and we made a scene with these huge tire bikes. You got in your underwear and started throwing up on the beach and... 53:36 [laughs] Well, you know, I was actually- Next time this goes this is all factual... going to recommend my wife listen to this podcast, but I think now we just n- [laughs] I'll never mention it to her. 53:44 You didn't even do anything bad, yet. [laughs] Yeah, there was a lot of olives in that, uh, omelet. There was a lot of olives. I got to watch all those olives come up. And I got to see a lot of colors come out of you. 53:52 When they went down, I was like, "Oh, I don't really like olives." [laughs] And when they all came back up, I'm like, "Figures." Uh-huh. "Damn it." Yeah. It was... 54:01 Well, and that's another- That's why I don't eat olives... that's another thing we do. We bring some food, but we don't bring a whole lot of food. 54:05 You know, you know- And the nice part about this trip is to frequent local businesses, bars. Oh, yeah, yeah. Um, the Lighthouse Cafe. Where you find all sorts of more shit, yeah. [laughs] Pick up some food. 54:13 But someone, someone bought that breakfast, and I felt really bad. I'm like, "Oh, my God." Gomez bought it. Yeah, Gomez bought breakfast. 54:18 Go- Gomez paid for this, and he's gonna be like, "Fatbike.com paid for this as an expense." Fucking throwing up like... Yeah. [laughs] Don't worry. It's a tax write-off. So sad. Probably not. 54:27 And then I was looking for a frozen burrito the rest of the day. Mm-hmm. [laughs] And the other things that we've done, so what did we do yesterday? Yesterday was mostly just riding. Oh, yeah. 54:35 But, uh, today we raced go-karts. Yep. We rode in the sand buggy. Yep. Um, that was fun. Mac, Mac Dunes. Mac Dunes. Mac Dunes. And Mac Dunes. Yeah, yeah. So there's- Watch out for married women in the front row. Yeah. 54:48 Wait, yeah, we're- Those cougars. Wait, wait, we, we- It was weird. We had, we have six- Got a lot of cl- claws slashing... men, six boys, six men, whatever, and then we get on. We were... 54:57 This thing is, like, four rows of seats in an open-air F550- [burps]... with no roof on it, and they have private dunes, and this guy... 55:05 And the, these are-They're not diesel trucks, but they're huge work trucks- They're-... with airplane tires that float over sand... on Triton V10 motors... on Triton V10 motors, and this guy- Four... 55:13 takes you out and you go flying around for probably, like, 40 minutes on the sand dunes. Yeah. And our group of six dudes got on with the- I Strava'd it... group of six. It's on Strava. Yeah, it's on Dave's Strava. 55:24 [laughs] Dave Lunz on Strava. Okay, I'm not gonna finish my drink. So, so is the go-kart. [laughs] But yeah, it was cool to see, so. I got my miles in this week. Mm-hmm. 55:33 And tomorrow the rest of us get to- Oh, that, that was a blast, dude... oh, we're getting, hey, we're getting, uh- That, that was-... famous... that, that was a blast, and that... 55:41 I, I, I thought they were just gonna meander around the dunes, but that guy was giving her. That's what I thought, too. With 16 people in there f- like, full-grown adults. Mm-hmm. You could feel the back end sliding. 55:50 Oh, yeah. You could. Yeah. And that's, I loved it. That's why I wanted to sit back there. That was cool- Yeah... that we got to be in the backseat. Oh, yeah, you got a backseat, yeah. Yeah. 55:55 It was like a open-air school bus. Right. Yeah, I was the same thing at first. It, it was a short bus... I was like, "I don't know if I wanna go do that," but it was cheap enough, and I'm really glad we did. 56:03 Yeah, it's cheap. [laughs] That was worth the money. You're like, if, if it's more than $29.99- 18 bucks for 40 minutes of blasting through the dunes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Highly worth it. That is money well spent, yeah. 56:09 And what else were we gonna do? Mactier.com. If we didn't do that, we'd be here drinking, and we'd be drunker by now. And, and everyone kept their hands- And, uh-... north of the equator. 56:16 [laughs] I, I, I forgot to bring a beer, though. Rob and, Rob and Other Dave had beers on board. I'm like, damn it. Yeah. I, I drank a beer on the bike ride down there, but I didn't bring one for the dune drive, so. 56:25 We gotta give a shout-out to Mark, scooter driver. Yeah, Mark, uh, yeah. Yeah, Mark with a K. Mark with a K, not a C. Right, right, yeah. He's a solid Mark. Uh-huh. Yeah. And he took some pictures. 56:34 We'll have some cool pictures, and hopefully Gomez will post these. And the weird thing is I have T-Mobile phone service, and it's been sucking up here to get connection. Where does T-Mobile not suck? 56:43 [laughs] In, in cities. In cities. Okay. [laughs] In cities. Yeah, you gotta be, like, right next to the tower. Okay. 56:49 But we get to this just tall sand dune in the middle of nowhere, and all of a sudden- Astronaut hill... all those, all my emails and all my texts I've been trying to send for two days go... 57:00 [imitates texts sending] [laughs] I'm like, oh, my wife, my friend- Yeah... my next-door neighbor, my work ca- Oh. I've got an airplane- It's like, now it's on. Texting progress... I have it on airplane mode all week. 57:09 I'm, fuck it. [laughs] Nobody loves you, Dave. You don't love anybody. That's your problem. That's right. You don't have anybody to text. I don't even love myself. No. He- You send Chad some, uh- He sends-... 57:17 this Bronco weekend you were doing, isn't it? Oh, I did send Chad something. Yeah, I did. [laughs] I, I gotta send something to someone else, too, 'cause she just lost her Bronco. She sent it to the scrapyard. Oh, no. 57:25 Yeah, Cassie, uh- The frame break? Uh, no, it was just so rotted out, so much fucking work. Um, but yeah, she just posted pictures the other day of, like, sending her Eddie Bauer Bronco down the road. Aw. Yeah. 57:37 That's super sad. I, yeah, it would've been way too much work to get it running again. But after this, so then we went to a chicken place. Yes. Frickin' Chicken. Frickin' Chicken. Frickin' Chicken, which was pretty good. 57:46 It was good. Pretty decent. It- And next to it we saw this go-kart course. [laughs] Wait, wait, back up. Okay. Cougar checked me out. [laughs] Really? I was so happy. That's right, we saw that. I was like, wow. 57:56 At the chicken place, or- And someone else saw it, too, and they're like- Yeah, there's proof that it happened... and that was Gomez. Gomez was like- He backed up your story... ah. 58:02 'Cause I was sitting there, and I was saying, "You're full of shit." She checked you out. "Nobody would hit on you." I was feeling fucking sexy. Yeah, you were. Yeah. Well, you are. Anyway, move on. 58:08 [laughs] And if you go the other Dave- Enough about, enough about me being sexy... you look like David Cross, so, or... [laughs] Yeah, and the go-kart track that w- was an oval course- That was cool... 58:18 with, uh, slippery corners. Of course I Strava'd that, too. Yeah, of course you Strava'd it. Send me that video. You just put it on Snapchat, then it's gone, so. Uh, I think I still got it. 58:26 Put, put it on one of those, uh, social media sites that it doesn't disappear. Okay. Okay? You know, not Snapchat. [laughs] How often does Dave- So-... Lunz ask you to provide proof that he did something? 58:37 [laughs] I didn't do... He wrecked so many times- But this was cool... with you, it was ridiculous. [laughs] That was the worst driver I've ever seen in all my whole life. Yeah. Dude- Well, you had a bad car. 58:44 Your car wouldn't go very fast... oh, my car was terrible. I, I had the number 20 car of Matt Kenseth, motherfucker, so yeah, I had a good car. You spun out the most of anybody tonight, I would say. 58:51 I know, 'cause I was giving it- The fact that you used an old Matt Kenseth number is, that, ooh, that makes you West Dallas. Well, yeah. Oh. All right. I'm out. [laughs] So here we are. 59:01 So you- Then we came back here and started podcasting. Yeah. Which I'm glad we did, 'cause I carried this shit all the way here. I'm glad that we got to do some- But no, that, that was fun. 59:07 Dude, I mean, you know, it, it... a little trick getting the car into the corner right, you know? And if, if you did the corner right- I think you were trying to do it too tight. I was watching you do it. 59:16 Yeah, I was, yeah. Like, you came in too tight, and you're trying to leave too tight. Yeah. You gotta come in high and then try to cut the corner. Yeah. I, I, I, I found out- That's what I was doing. 59:21 Yeah, you come in high, drop in, and go out high again. Yeah, 'cause it was making corners. I, I, I made it out a couple of times sideways successfully, but yeah, a couple times I- Hi, all right... a couple... 59:30 [laughs] Yeah, I was hi, all right. Couple of times I had to have the attendants push me out and- True. True. [laughs] Only person that had to. Only twice. 59:38 Even the 15-year-old Mennonite girls couldn't, couldn't have that. [laughs] They can drive a horse and buggy better than me. Well, it's hard to drive in a skirt, you know? [laughs] I know. 59:49 [laughs] And wearing a coffee filter on your head. Yeah. That's horrible. [laughs] It's a bonnet. It's a- Yeah... it's a bonnet, you dumb. [laughs] It's not a coffee filter. It's a bonnet. 59:58 Greg, can we turn off commenting in this podcast? [laughs] We're gonna get into trouble. I didn't know. [laughs] I was like, I was just being observant. 1:00:08 They, they need to do some sort of a disclaimers, like, "I do not necessarily represent any of the views or comments made in this podcast from, like, guests." 1:00:16 [laughs] Oh, I hope the Amish people aren't listening to this. Oh, wait, they can't. [laughs] The Amish can't 'cause they don't have electricity. Right. The Mennonites can. Now we know. [laughs] Hearsay. 1:00:27 It's all hearsay. Um, well, anyways, this trip has been a lot of fun. It's... And- Oh, yeah... I don't know what's gonna happen when I show up. And we still have two more days to go. 1:00:34 I load up, and I just get on the boat, and then whatever happens. We're, we're, we're rolling down to Montague to see our buddy Leslie. Montague. Leslie is the owner of the campground. Yeah. 1:00:42 We got a, we got a regatta party to go to. Mm-hmm. I got my, uh, Mr. Smooth T-shirt ready to go for regatta party. I'm not even, I'm not entirely sure what a regatta party is. I think they're sailboats. It's... 1:00:53 I think so, yeah. And- That's it. [burps]... which to me would say there's gonna be rich people there. Yeah. Nah, brah. That's why we should show up and be derelicts. No, sailboat owners are cheap. Are they? 1:01:03 Motor boat owners are rich. Yeah, motor boat- Motor boat- Does a boat stand for bust out another thousand, whether it's- No, that, uh-... a sailboat or a motor boat? Nope. That's all? 1:01:09 Only motor boats are bust out another thousand. Sailboat owners, you can buy a sailboat for $2,400.And That's a lot of money To do what? Let your kids play in it? And float, no float around it and sail. 1:01:19 [laughs] It's- Dude, yeah. You don't, you don't have to pay for gas. But you gotta know how to sail. [laughs] Yeah. Well, you gotta know how to sail. Yeah, yeah. But there are schools for that. Okay. Right. 1:01:25 See, now you gotta take classes. Dude, actually, um- You gotta learn how-... Greg Hahn is, uh, taking a sailing class down at the Milwaukee Sailing Center. Okay. You can actually register, like, a yearly membership. 1:01:35 You can take classes, they certify you, and they'll give you a boat to go out on the lake with. To die on. Give you a boat. You're not renting it? Well, no, no. You just borrow the boat. You have to pay money. 1:01:44 You borrow it, yeah. You, you pay a yearly membership. How many of those boats are in the bay? [laughs] A lot. [laughs] So, like, some- And then, and then you give it back to them. You're like, "Yeah, okay, yeah, fix it. 1:01:52 I'll, I'll be back whenever," a couple days from now to take out a different boat, you know? I feel like there's a hole in that story. [laughs] Yeah. There's gotta be something missing. No, it isn't. 1:01:59 It's just, like, a... It's a, it's a sailing club for, uh, it, it's, like, I don't know- Oh... a couple hundred bucks a summer or whatever. No, yeah, it's true 'cause I grew up on the ocean, on the Atlantic Ocean. 1:02:08 Mm-hmm. I'm a member of a yacht club. The biggest boat in the yacht club was 21 feet. Yeah. Okay. I had a 12-foot sunfish, and I was a outstanding member of the yacht club. 1:02:18 Well, Scanlon, well, Scanlon has his own boat, and, um- Who usually goes on this trip, and he is not here. Yeah, yeah, he didn't make it this year, unfortunately. Okay. He's, he's got a gig Sunday. Okay. 1:02:27 Um, but yeah, he- He's a rock and roller... he, he pays, he pays to store it. He does all the maintenance on it. You know, he pays to store it at, in the marina. He pays to store it in the winter in dry storage. 1:02:38 And well, with the sailing center, dude, you just pay them a couple hundred bucks a year, and you can just walk right up after whatever level your certification is, depending on the winds and the waves. 1:02:49 They're like, "Oh, sure, you can take one of our boats. Go ahead." And you just take it back to them, and you don't worry about it. It's like renting a car. No kidding. 1:02:56 Yeah, you just go beat it around and give it back to them and be like, "Yeah, okay, see you next time." Now that you've explained it, I still have no interest in doing that whatsoever. [laughs] No, me neither. 1:03:03 [laughs] I would. It, it was fun, dude. I, I've sailed a couple times with Jeff. It, it's interesting. Yeah, it's still the amount of work, I'm sure. But there's no work. Well, I mean, there's work learning how to do it. 1:03:13 Yeah. And then, you know, there's work actually doing it, but there's no other work involved [laughs] except for giving them money. [laughs] Except you have to- You know, like... 1:03:20 [laughs] Except you have to wear a tank top and those short shorts and be on the boat. Dude, maybe go buy some docksides like, uh- And you just like-... Eric Trump at the bar today. 1:03:27 And you have to wear the sweater across your shoulders when you're done. And you're up there tanning and everything. And then he's like, "You're looking pretty good." 1:03:33 [laughs] And you're like- [laughs] We're just letting this go wherever... "Uh, what do you mean by that?" True. [laughs] [laughs] Yeah, now the peanut gallery is saying, "Hell has yeah, Captain Obvious." 1:03:43 [laughs] The peanut, peanut gallery's got microphones now, motherfucker. [laughs] And then the Muffits, "She stepped on the ball." Uh-huh. You wanna... You got any dad jokes for us? You've been busting them out all- 1:03:54 Well, I can't do them online. Yeah, it's gotta- That had to be there... it's gotta be spontaneous, you know? It's gotta be situational. Yeah. It's always situational. Like- Yeah... oh, when my daughter got her hair cut, 1:04:03 "Did you get all your hairs cut?" [laughs] "Or just one?" Oh, man. [laughs] Oh, dad, you suck. And then there's that time- He, he, he's almost like Bad Dad but without the mask- Self-... and the selfie stick. 1:04:15 You know, like... [laughs] Are all your kid jokes G-rated? 'Cause you, [laughs] you busted out some good, uh, dad jokes. Well, around the kids they probably are. Yeah. 1:04:24 But around, around us adults, air quotes- Let loose... um- We're losing the adults... yeah, um- As age number only. Yeah. Has nothing to do with our... No, give me a topic. I got some. [laughs] Um, peanut butter. 1:04:42 Oh, God. [laughs] That's not rated G. [laughs] Okay. Peanut butter jelly time. [laughs] Well, okay, let's wrap this. [laughs] Let's, let's bring this back. [laughs] Yeah, let's, uh, reign this back in. Yeah. 1:04:55 Uh, so anyway, yeah, back to the trip. Uh, what are, what are we doing tomorrow? We're riding to, uh, Montague. We're, we're gonna check out the regatta party. 1:05:01 Montague is probably 20 miles from- Are the Catholics gonna be there?... the ferry- Yep... and 20 miles from here, so we're 40 miles in. Yeah, we, yeah, we're, we're gonna ride halfway tomorrow and then halfway Sunday. 1:05:09 Yep. Halfway, which, which is a lot nicer than the full way on Thursday. That- And it's cool that the boat leaves at 4:45 'cause it leaves Milwaukee at 6:00 AM. Right. 1:05:18 Some of us had to get up at 2:00, 3:00 in the morning and drive over- [laughs]... to get on that boat. Yeah. And yeah, at least we- So early... we can cozy chalet down the shoreline- Yeah... and get there on time. 1:05:28 I think the entire platoon would form better if we- It, it was nice that- On this march... it was, it was nice that we got there, uh, this year, like, a half hour early instead of two minutes early like last time. 1:05:39 That- Yeah, two years ago... that, that was a little less stressful. Yeah. [laughs] This, this trip was so unorganized that last year didn't even happen. [laughs] Yeah, yeah, it got canceled last year. Oh. 1:05:48 Um, but- No, but it's- So by the way, it's, uh, $3 coffee with free refills on that boat ride. Yeah. Yeah. If you know the magic of coffee... Ugh. Was it good coffee? I didn't have it. I was drinking beer. 1:06:01 Yeah, that's right. [laughs] But I wish I would've because- I had-... I coulda used a toilet with water in it. I, I, yeah. On the boat. I had- Why? 1:06:11 Because that's fantastic, 'cause once you're on the road and you're using port-a-johns- Oh... kinda funky. Yeah, that's true. You got your little, uh- We got nice toilets here. There's nice showers up there. 1:06:21 Did you shower today? Have you been in the one next to us? I... Yes. No- Oh my God, that pit toilet stinks. Yeah, don't go in there. Did you go to the left or the right one? Oh, yeah, right. 1:06:29 There's a full plumbing bathroom like- The left one's clean. The right one's flooded with pee. Really? [laughs] Yeah, go to the left one. Stink. The left one's dry. Okay, that's good. 1:06:38 [laughs] That's the one I've been going in all- Let's see if it is... all weekend so far. Well, yeah. So Dave, thanks for loosely putting this on. Yeah. 1:06:46 Thanks for making a Facebook page, and Gomez for planning the rest of it. [laughs] Yeah. He, yeah, he, he might've had a little bit bigger, uh, plan in handing it, hand in planning this than I did, but, you know. Yeah. 1:07:00 Fuck it. We'll see how- I tried to make it- We'll see how the regatta goes tomorrow... but it was hard to see you. Yeah. He gave you a lot of the credit. You look really nice today, Dave. And it, and it all worked out. 1:07:08 Oh, yeah. No [laughs] And like, well, yeah, the plan is we're going to Silver Lake, and then we're taking it from there. Yep, and it's working out. Yeah. We made it to Silver Lake on the first day. 1:07:17 I was impressed with myself. All right. [laughs] Okay. That's- We're getting loose. We're getting comments from everywhere, so thanks everybody for listening. All right. Hope this wasn't a terrible waste of your time. 1:07:26 Yeah, good first show, Spinner. We'll do it again. All right. Right on. Woo! Yeah. [upbeat music] Hold on. [laughs] [camera shutter] [laughs] And we started out like that. This is the first episode... 1:07:43 This is the second episode but the first recorded episode of The Bird Bike Podcast. Is there any music by the show? Do you guys have music? Do you have an intro? Ugh. [upbeat music] Oh, yeah. 1:07:51 That was the music, the sound of your golden pipes. All right. Do you wanna sing? We're gonna... We're just gonna have a fresh start. We're gonna go bang. [upbeat music] [camera shutter] Uh, pushed the wrong damn button. 1:08:06 I can't hear anything. Damn fricking button. [laughs] That starts out really slow. We gotta wait till that comes off. So let's- Let's start without music. No? No. Uh, what did you just s- 1:08:20 You're tuned, you're tuned to Fat Bike Radio, Fat Bike Radio, Fat Bike Radio. 1:08:25 [upbeat music]
