Transcript 0:00 This is the Dose of Fat Podcast, the Shred Sisters Spill show. This were recorded in July of 2019. 0:09 [upbeat music] It's the Shred Sisters Spill episode of the Dose of Fat. 0:31 Let me introduce the host of the Dose of Fat and card-carrying member of the Shred Sisters, Leia Rollins. Hi. It's good to be back, and fat. 0:43 So today's show has a very special sponsor, uh, Elements Therapeutic Massage, located in Fitchburg and Middleton, Wisconsin. 0:54 Experience the difference with their month-to-month membership program, the Elements Wellness Program, and their guarantee, the Elements Promise, all built around their therapeutic, handcrafted, and personalized approach to massage that they call the Elements Way. 1:10 Check them out at Elements Massage in Fitchburg and Middleton, or just find Sherry. She's the, uh, she's the owner. And she's here. And she's sitting right next to me. Yay. Uh, but we do... We're, we're, we're, we're... 1:24 That's like spoiler alert. Yep, spoiler alert. [laughs] We're off, we're off the script. 1:28 [laughs] All right, let's take a break, and when we come back, it's the Shred Sisters Spill all with Sherry Mix and Heather Steljes. You're about to get checked by a trio of chicos rapidemente on Fat Bike Radio. 1:42 So I heard you need a fat bike. Come to Zion Cyclery in Zion, Illinois. Welcome back, cats and kitties. It's our pleasure to introduce the Shred Sisters. Please welcome to the program, Miss Sherry Mix and Mrs. 1:58 Heather Steljes. Hi, ladies. Hi. Hello. So today is a very special day because we're trying something new. 2:06 Uh, the women are taking over this segment, so we've got a ton of topics that we wanna cover all about women in cycling. Um, I put a little survey out to see, 2:19 uh, you know, what people would be interested in learning about. And based off the interests, I asked you two to come in because of some of your awesome knowledge. So first of all, I wanted to introduce Sherry. 2:33 She is the person that got me into bike racing. Oh. So yeah, about 10 years ago- Wow... um, I had... My boyfriend at the time had said, "Hey, let's go ride our bikes in the woods." I had no idea what, what that meant. 2:47 And the next thing I know, I'm at Kettle Moraine, and we're, like, flying down hills, and we're in tennis shoes, no helmets, like soccer shorts. This is crazy. My bike's gonna fall apart. But great workout. 3:00 So him and I would go out there and, and ride every once in a while. And then I was in a business networking group with Sherry, and we're just chit-chatting about it, and she's like, "You know, there are races." 3:12 I'm like, "What is that?" You know? [laughs] She's like, "Well, come out and try it." So I go to the Wars Series Race down in Lake Geneva, and I'm following her around the course. 3:22 She's showing me the course, and she is literally dropping me on every descent, like I'm pedaling backwards. And I'm like, "How are you going so fast?" She's like, "Get off your brakes." 3:34 [laughs] So that was, like, the most important thing that I learned in- [laughs]... in mountain biking was from her. And then, uh, she ended up s- shortly after that having a couple kids. Yep. Right? Three kids. 3:47 Three, three little ones. Yep. And took an eight-year hiatus from mountain biking, and comes back and, like, texts me th- two or three months ago, "Hey, I wanna get back into biking. Like, let's ride." And 4:02 what was the bike that you still had? Um, the best bike ever. Um, what do you call that? Retro? No. What's the- The classics division? Yep, [laughs] the classics division. Retro bike. Yeah, my retro bike. Yeah. 4:15 So- My Top Fuel 9.8 is the best bike ever. Yeah, from like 1999 with 26-inch wheels. I'm like, "Honey, we've come a long" [laughs] Maybe it's 2008. Give me 10 years. [laughs] Okay, 2009 bike. 4:28 But it was the sweetest bike ever. Yeah, at... For then. Yeah. It was great. Like, I had one too, and I was one of the last to give up a 26-inch for a 29. I remember that. I was like, "Dude, I'm not... Forget it. 4:39 I'm not doing it." No. [laughs] And I'm like a little kid on a big girl's bike. I'm not doing it. You were the last. [laughs] You... Yep. [laughs] And then so she's like, "Really? 29?" I'm like, "Oh, girl." 4:47 "Well, I'm gonna get it tuned up." I'm like, "No, you just need to get rid of it." [laughs] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [laughs] I was doing research on why 26-inch wheels are better and sending these links to Leia. 4:57 [laughs] And Sherry's just like, "Stop." No. Stop it. [laughs] Stop it right now. [laughs] Um, so what made you decide to wanna get back into mountain biking after being away so long? 5:09 Honestly, I think I saw a bunch of your pictures, because you post like crazy, and having so much fun. And I... 5:17 Uh, that feeling of adrenaline and just the rush of excitement you get when you're on the trails and, you know, just forget everything else and you're riding, it's just a super cool feeling. And I... 5:28 When I [laughs] saw your pictures I was like, "I just wanna do that again." Miss doing that for myself. 'Cause you were racing back in, like, what? 2000 Cat 1 Elite? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep, I probably started in '99. 5:39 I started racing '99, 2000. Started racing in 2001. I did Citizen that whole first year. And then 2002 and 2003 I did Elite. Um, so yeah, I think what... It was '99 I w- was riding at Lovis, um, Lovis Mound, was my first 5:57 mountain bike off-trail course I'd ever been on, and we saw these signs that said Buzzard Buster. We had no clue what that meant. Um, and here was this whole Wars series I had no idea about. 6:08 And so just riding through Lovis Mound and we saw these signs and decided to sign up for a race, and that's how it all started. And then you're stuck. [laughs] Stuck. It's so fun. 6:16 And how did you get in, Heather?Um, well, originally I started mountain biking with my, my older brother, Nick, um, just for, like, a summer. Um, the first mountain bike trail I ever rode was in Moab. Oh, jeez. 6:33 [laughs] That's the best trail out there. [laughs] Yeah. And ever since you've kinda like... Oh. [laughs] I mean, Lovis, Moab- Pretty much the same thing. 6:41 [laughs] But then, um, you know, it was just something to do every once in a while, and then- It's a workout. Yeah. It was a way to, to get off the legs from running. I was primarily a runner before this. 6:52 And then, um, as it turns out, I married somebody who was pretty athletic, and, um, we were both runners. And then Cory Steldra, my husband, um, got injured and turned to riding as his next competitive adventure. 7:08 And I stuck with running for a little bit longer, and then just kinda dabbled in the mountain biking, um, here and there, and, and riding here and there. And then 7:19 as, as it happens [laughs] with, with running sometimes, uh, my body just couldn't handle that, that kind of volume. And so biking became sort of the, the main event, um, there. 7:30 There seems to be a big reason why people switch from whatever other sport they were in. You know, 'cause, like, mountain biking, no one really... You just tripped on it somehow. It wasn't out there. No, for sure. 7:41 It wasn't mainstream. So a lot of us grew up- [laughs]... doing different sports, and then injuries- Yeah... you know? And biking, it, you know, it's not gonna kill the knees. No, no, unless you get a bad fit. 7:54 But- [laughs]... 7:55 I do remember when I was a, you know, a kid, um, running cross-country, we would always get the Silent Sports Magazine in Wisconsin as, like, that was, like, the free thing you got when you were in a silent sport in high school. 8:07 And I always remember seeing Chewam and Fat Tire on there and thinking, "Oh, maybe someday. That'd be fun," and then also being like, "Uh, I don't think I can do that on my Huffy." 8:17 [laughs] [laughs] You know, and then now, you know, fast-forward about 25 years, and it's, it's the primary goal almost every season for us in our family. Is the Chewamie? Yeah. It's up there. That's super cool. Yeah. 8:30 So it is funny how it all rolls out. Yeah. So in the house, we have a couple women that have been biking for quite a while. Like, there's probably 30 years combined experience here. Mm-hmm. And, um, 8:46 so one of the things that the, the women were asking about were what are some of the biggest changes that you've seen, Sherry, from when you were racing back in the early 2000s to now, almost 2020- Oh my God, it's-... 9:00 like, coming back-... crazy... 10 years later. So different. Well, first thing you said was 26-inch wheels. 29er is the way to go all the way, for sure. That was the first thing I learned. 9:10 Um, you had to school me on everything because I didn't know technology. Holy cow. The trainers. Everything is Bluetooth, and it all figures it out for you. There's no manually figuring anything out. 9:25 I couldn't remember... We used to manually figure out, like, our... We had to figure out our max heart rate and, like, the zones we wanted to be in all manually. 9:33 There was- Like, you had to do your own math, like, calculations. Like, finger, or, like, finger on your pulse- [laughs]... with the watch. Oh. And you're like, "Yeah, there was no computer- Okay, what's that turn tell? 9:40 ... to tell me what- Yeah... my wattage. Like, what is that? That's all new to me. I had so many questions. I was asking Sherry, like, a million questions. Oh, she was blowing me up. And I was like- [laughs]... 9:50 "Okay, don't get annoyed," because I did this to her- [laughs]... 10 years ago. [laughs] Like, total role reversal. Payback. Yeah. [laughs] Like, oh, you, you were a kid. You k- your mom went crazy. Well, you had one. 10:02 Now it's your turn. [laughs] Uh-huh. Oh my gosh. Who knew? The wattage thing is so cool. Strava? What is that? That didn't exist. 10:11 I started trying to search people from 20 years ago on Strava to see if I could follow them. See if they're still biking? They're not on there. They probably don't know about it. 10:18 [laughs] They probably had kids and disappeared from the sport too. It's like the biking Snapchat world or something. I don't know. Yeah. [laughs] I mean, it... 10:27 I, I probably participate in Strava conversations more than I do on, on- Facebook... Facebook 'cause it's, like, people that I have similar interests with. Right. They're doing the same things as you. Yeah. Yeah. 10:38 It's super cool. I... And the Bluetooth trainer, my CycleOps trainer that I got in 2003 was the best thing ever. It's, like, probably the first CycleOps trainer they ever put out. 10:49 I never thought I would ditch that thing as fast as I did, but holy smokes, this Wahoo trainer, who knew? Mm-hmm. Crazy. I just... The technology blows my mind, really. It makes it all not easier, but, 11:05 but almost easier, really. Well, okay, so you're a mom, and you own and run a business, and you have three children and a husband to manage. So, you know, it's like how do you manage all that and training to race? 11:21 One of the big things is having that trainer- Yeah... inside- Mm-hmm... where you can just pop on for an hour and be done- Mm-hmm... versus, like, getting everything ready, right? For sure. Like, I, um... 11:32 In between racing I did some triathlons, but it was always trying to find time to go outside and do it. Two hours... You know, I see people even on Strava, two, three hours they're out riding. 11:42 Like, I don't have time for that. So, um, really maximizing my time on the trainer is, like, how I have to do it with wattages, and this is the time I have, this is what I need to do, and get it done. 11:53 Like, there's no other way to do it. So, um, a lot of times I'm up at 5:00 AM, quarter to 5:00, depends how long I wanna ride. 12:01 If I sleep in till 5:30, then I'm like, "Oh, I sacrificed, you know, some time on the trainer," but I really have to get up right away in the morning to make it happen. 12:10 And maybe after work rides might happen- [laughs]... depends how the day goes. If it's ever stopped raining. [laughs] I know. Well, that too. 12:17 But, um, just, you know, it's really helped to get the workout done right away so I know I got that done. And if the day goes well, if it's not raining and I can go later for fun, I'll go for fun. 12:28 And if it works out, it works out. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But to rely on going later, you know, if it doesn't happen, then it's like I didn't get to do anything, so. Yeah. 12:37 So I-I think the point is try and get your workout in that you need that's most important in the morning. Mm-hmm. And then that extra is for the evening. 12:48 So what I was doing is I was, like, lifting weights or doing my stretches early in the morning, and then a million things would happen, and I won't get my, my actual tr- important training ride in- Mm-hmm... 12:58 in the evening 'cause, like, a million things came up or I was tired or whatever, and then I was feeling guilty, right? Mm-hmm. 13:04 So a friend of mine gave me really good advice is, like, the most important workout of your day should be in the morning. 13:10 So like, I'll do the trainer ride or, or whatever needs to get done in the morning, and then the evenings are for fun, like playing in the dirt, hitting jumps or trails or taking out girlfriends. 13:22 [laughs] Taking out friends who've never been before. I've been carting around- [laughs]... like, four of my bikes. [laughs] You never know when you're gonna meet- Letting different people try them. Like-... 13:29 like getting everybody into biking. Yeah. Yeah. So ladies out there- [laughs]... if you wanna try a bike, I have extra bikes- [laughs]... and a big van to- [laughs]... carry them around with. 13:40 Um, so another question for you, Sherry, was, uh, people were wondering what are some of the good family-friendly races that you would recommend for either the beginner, you know, or someone getting back into it or that does have, you know, a couple kiddos? 13:57 You know, you got me thinking because I've been looking ever since I decided I wanted to do that race. I've been looking for some small local races. 14:05 There used to be so many small local races, and I've been having a hard time finding them. Um, I know you had just sent one down by Chicago. The Palos Meltdown? The Palos. 14:15 Um, I know there's gotta be a few random ones, but they're... I feel like they're harder to come by now than they used to be. Um, I know the Wars does have the kids races and the juniors races. 14:26 They have a lot more categories now, so definitely someone starting out have, has more options than they did, um, a while ago. But I, I would really like to try to find some more local races. 14:37 Um, like, where I'm from, Platteville, we used to have the Hirsch Farm. Mm. They called it the Burrito Blowout. It was the coolest thing 'cause you got this huge burrito afterwards. [laughs] And- And then you blew out. 14:47 Yeah, exactly. [laughs] That's why you did it. It's for the burrito. Hopefully you didn't get it before. [laughs] Yikes. Wait till next week. But I, I don't know if they do that anymore. Um- They do. 14:55 I think they- Do they? I don't know when it happens, but Cory's- It's usually in the fall... done it before. See, maybe it's- And I feel like it's m- Maybe we- I feel like it might be in the spring now. Oh, is it? 15:02 But they still... It was still off the, on the farm. Yeah. Okay. And I know Rock Cut used to have a race, and I... R- and Rock- Rock- Rockford... Park. It was. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know if they do that anymore. 15:13 Um, but I was th- thinking, you know, probably the best way to do it is just to get involved in some ride groups, and people know stuff going on. Like, you knew that Palos one. I would never... 15:22 I didn't find that when I was searching. Yeah, I mean, social media is, like, the biggest thing that's, that's pushing out, um, the races. 15:30 I mean, uh, the Schwamagon, I don't even wanna do the Schwamagon, but they are literally emailing me every single week. [laughs] You know, or I'm seeing the- You're doing it... the ads, right? And- Mm-hmm... 15:39 and so there's so much more opportunity to just see what's happening if you're involved in biking at all. Yeah. So my suggestion would be to just, you know, start joining, um, Facebook groups- Mm-hmm. For sure... 15:51 like of the, the, the trail systems and just the ride groups, and they're consistently posting events that are going on. 16:00 And guys that are listening, if, you know, if you know of any too, definitely send them to Gomez, and he'll add them to the, the show notes for sure. 16:11 I mean, I did a quick search of just group rides, and there's six that popped right up on Google of group rides in Madison for women, family. You know, they have different levels. 16:21 So there's so many options out there for group rides. Yeah, like the Belle Joy rides- Yeah... for women. I never heard of that before. So wherever you live, just say, you know, Google Group Rides- Mm-hmm... 16:29 near me or something. And then, you know, the more involved you are in those, the more you hear about things going on that you wouldn't have otherwise. So I mean, that's how I'm hearing about everything- [laughs]... 16:39 through Leah. [laughs] Yeah, or just, just to find somebody that knows and just bug the hell out of them. [laughs] Yeah, exactly. Like, every morning and every night. Well, now I have Heather's number, so- Yeah. We do. 16:51 [laughs] And, and that's where you can go with the technical questions. [laughs] So sometimes Sherry will text me- [laughs]... some technical thing about the bike. I'm like, "Nope, that's where I draw the line." 16:59 Oh, well, that question's- I don't even know what disc brakes are, okay? [laughs] So- That's a big technology change- [laughs]... is disc brakes, right? Well, there you go. That is. Yeah. For sure, yeah. Yeah. For sure. 17:10 And the brain. What was... There was no brain a few years ago. The brain is fairly new. Yeah. Yeah. It's so awesome, though. [laughs] Yeah, I love it. 17:17 Like, you know, when stuff first comes out, you're like, "Yeah, yeah, whatever." [laughs] "Let somebody else work out the details." Like- But then once you get it- "I'll get it next year."... it's like, oh my god. 17:25 Like, I just got a dr- got a dropper post this year. Oh, yeah. Oh, good God. Wee. [laughs] It's a lot of fun. Drop it and roll it. 17:32 My cousin lives in Washington, and she r- rides a mountain bike all the time, and she has a Juliana. Mm-hmm. I really- Yeah, yeah... and I, first thing I asked them- The Santa Cruz... like, "Do you have a drop seat?" 17:42 And she's like, "Of course I do." She's like, "Yeah, it's, it's the coastal riding." I know. [laughs] "Yes, I have a drop seat." Yes. I felt really cool by knowing what that was. 17:50 [laughs] You got major points for that one. I did. I did. You were already ahead of me then. Yeah. [laughs] So speaking of, like, the bike, uh, that was another question was how do you manage your bicycle? Oh. 18:08 You know, so not everybody has a husband- That's true... that does it for them. Mm-hmm. So if you are a woman and you are typically biking alone or with other ladies or friends and you have to maintain your bike, 18:22 how do you do that? I think there's- What are some of the best tips for that? Oh, well, I am, I'm one of those women who has somebody who takes care of a lot of it for me. 18:32 Um, so I'm really, really privileged in that sense. But, you know, I, I do know that there are a few shops. I think Cronometro has, like, a woman's clinic for bi- basic bike maintenance. 18:44 Um, I mean, I think certainly you can refer to good old YouTube to check some stuff out. Um-But I think the, the other key part, uh, is to really find your, find your person. 18:56 Find, find your person that you trust to, to work on your bike. Um, you know, yeah, Corey takes care of a lot of stuff on my bike, but shameless plug for- [laughs] For, I-... for the team. 19:09 No, actually- But Isaac Neff of Neff Cycle Service- Yeah... 19:12 that, he is so welcoming of everybody and if you can find yourself an Isaac Neff who just wants to get people on bikes and isn't gonna judge you or shame you or say anything about what you're riding until you ask him, that's, that's a treasure trove. 19:32 I mean, he's an amazing mechanic too, but I think that's the other thing that he really brings is he just wants people on bikes. And so if you come in there with whatever it is, your 26, you know, from 2008, 19:46 he'll take a look at that and make it- He to- Make it what you can... he totally did. Right? Yeah, I mean- I mean, he just doesn't, he doesn't shame- Mm-hmm... doesn't guilt, just hears you out. 19:55 And so I think finding, finding somebody like that is- is key. Find a mechanic you trust- Yeah... the same way you keep your stylist the same. Mm-hmm. Right? You know, you know your banker. Mm-hmm. Right? 20:07 Build a relationship with a mechanic and always go to him because they will learn your bike as- Mm-hmm... as well. 20:13 And I've done that, and I've found that so successful 'cause then they've seen my bike, they've known what's going on, they know how to fix it, and I trust them to do it right versus just taking it to whichever bike shop that you're nearest. 20:26 Mm-hmm. And to be honest with you, you know, there's a lot of good mechanics out there, but you don't know what you're gonna get. Right? Yeah. You don't know if you just got the new guy that j- just- Mm-hmm... 20:34 upgraded from tuning bikes. And these mountain bikes, they take a beating. Mm-hmm. And they are not cheap to fix. So y- you know, it's, it's, it's kinda like you're trusting 20:46 the woman at the salon that's been doing your hair for 15 years versus going to Cost Cutters. Mm-hmm. And you don't, they might chop you to the bone. [laughs] You might get lucky, but it's not likely. 20:57 Like you just don't... Yeah. [laughs] So- Mm-hmm... you know, I have a husband that can do a lot of the work on the bikes too, but he doesn't like to because he will get bitched at [laughs] if something goes wrong. 21:06 [laughs] He's like, "I'm not touching it." Yeah, he's like, "I'm not, nope, I'm not going there." [laughs] Like he'll clean it and stuff, but, um, I, so I, I typically, I have a- a couple mechanics that I really like. 21:20 So like when I'm in Green Bay, I obviously go to Broken Spoke. [laughs] You know, I got my guy there. Nobody heard that. [laughs] But- Pop. What are you popping up? And then in Madison, I do refer everybody to, to Isaac. 21:35 Mm-hmm. Yep. Um, I think he does a great job. And then I also used to work with Wilhelm. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, he used to work for Trek, and he's a magician. 21:43 Uh, but he, he used to like live like a block away from me, so that was awesome. [laughs] Oh, nice. He didn't move so far. So, but anyway, the point is, um, you can always find, 21:52 you know, y- again, you Google like different bike shops are having women's, uh, you know, learn how to fix it- Women's clinics, yeah... so you can do some of the basics. Yeah. 22:01 But the, I'd say the biggest thing is stuff goes wrong, get your mechanic and take it there. Mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure. And you can learn things from them. Oh, totally. Mm-hmm. 22:11 I mean, I'm finally using some of the right lingo when I'm referring to my bike. If I'm like, "Oh, something's creaky," I can at least say, "Oh, my- It's the bracket... 22:20 something, something's going on with my bottom bracket." Right. [laughs] Um, you know. A- and that instead of being like, "I don't know. It's down there." Yeah. [laughs] Um- Oh, Isaac is the best one. 22:28 He was the best person you referred me to really, like, not being in this scene for so long and not really sure what was going on. He likes to talk. Oh my gosh, I kept calling my seat post- Da, da, da, da, da, da... 22:38 what's the... What, the stem. I kept calling my stem the post- [laughs]... and he was so nice to me. Like, "What are you talking about?" [laughs] And I kept calling things the wrong names, and he was so patient. 22:49 Like he was really patient with me. But just asking, you know, "Okay, how do I lube my chain again? Like, how often do I have to do this?" Yep. Just run through it quick. Yep. 22:58 And he, you know, was just so good about that. Mm-hmm. 23:02 And, and if you're, and if you're on your own, you're biking your own, maybe try and stick, like if you're newer, stick to the, be, un- until you know more about the bike and, 23:12 you know, what you would need to do to fix it if you're on the, your own in the middle of the woods and need to get out of there, you know, stick to those trails where there are more like a four to seven mile loop. 23:22 So the bike breaks down, you break a, heaven forbid, the dang derailleur. Mm-hmm. Ah. [laughs] Right? You can walk out of there. Right. You know, you're not stuck in the middle of the woods. 23:34 It's just like a safety thing. If you're gonna do more of those epic rides, maybe be in a group- Mm-hmm... right, of people. Oh, for sure. Mm-hmm. 23:42 Oh, and I wanted to caveat that, like when I go on a ride on my own, I do, um, send a note to somebody saying, "Hey, I'm out on my own. Um, if I do not text you within three hours, like call in the meds." Yeah. 23:58 Because you, even if you're on an easy trail, anything- Mm-hmm... can happen. Seriously. So someone's gotta know, uh, where you are just in case. And that's the other great thing about technology is Find, Find My Phone. 24:12 My, like I- Yeah, you got these beacons now. Right. Like I can, you know... And it, it's hel- it's helpful for safety, but it's also helpful, like, well, when do I start dinner? [laughs] You know? 24:20 I can be like, "Oh, well Corey's on the Seminole. Okay, I should start... Okay, yep, that's, he'll be home in about 20 minutes." That's how you keep track of your cycling man. 24:26 [laughs] No, I, but, and, but it is really ha- Like there is part of me that's like, "Okay, worse comes to worse, somebody's gonna check in on me at some- Yeah... point." 24:36 Um, so, you know, again, that's, that's a privilege that I have, but I like the idea of being like, "Hey, I'm, I'm out in the woods or I'm on the road, and this is where I'm headed." 24:47 Uh, I still do that with my parents when I'm riding up at, by my parents' house. You know, it's a bunch of gravel roads. There's n- they're not always used to bicyclists, um, that are not Mennonites. 24:57 [laughs]They're always like, "Well, which direction are you headed?" [laughs] And I'm like, "I, you know, south, Mom" [laughs] We're in rural Wisconsin. That way. [laughs] Like, that can be any way. 25:08 But, um, you know, they, they're still like, "Okay, that's good to know" Yeah. "Sounds great" 25:14 Yeah, so speaking of, uh, Corey and keeping track of, of him, um, for those of you who didn't know, Corey is seriously super fast. Um, won the Birkie. He's... Has he won the Chequamegon a couple times? Only once. 25:28 And he just won the Lutsen- Lutsen 99er... 99er- For the third time... Did you just say only once? I, I know. [laughs] But it's like- She said, she said mul-... a couple times... 25:38 like, come on And I was just clarifying, only one time. [laughs] So- It was amazing... and you did really well at Lutsen as well. I did. Or did it- I was sixth. Okay, that's- It's probably what I should've been... 25:49 that's amazing. There's like hundreds It's probably what I should've done, you know? Like- It's amazing... I would've liked to have matched Corey. But qualified for Leadville. Yeah. So both of you- That's awesome... 25:56 are gonna be racing Leadville. Mm-hmm. All right. So this is a training- That's a new addition to the schedule... this is a training question. I have a couple training questions. Yeah. 26:03 Like, this was a big, hot topic that people were interested in. Like, uh, a couple is, you know, do you have specific training regimens for specific races? And then, okay, so you've got Corey's plans. 26:19 Y- you know, and you race, and you're, you're training for the same race. Do you actually have different plans based on the fact that you're a woman, he's a man, or are they the s- the same? 26:32 They are pretty much the same. So it doesn't matter the sex, it's- They're pretty much the same. What's different is the volume. And part of that is also just the, the, the flexibility that Corey has with his job. 26:45 So he can, he can work a 10-hour day one day and then work a six-hour day the next day. And that six-hour day, he can get a, you know, three to four-hour ride during the week. I- no can do-o for me. 26:55 Um, I mean, I, I, I really probably could, but that's not, that's just not what, who I am. And so- So you have a full-time, like- Yeah, both of us... nine to five? Both of us work- Right... full time. 27:06 Um- So how do you fit the training hours? Like, what do you do to train for these huge... I mean, these are, like, 100-mile races. Weekends. [laughs] No, I mean, it is, uh... 27:15 To, to be honest, so the regimen is, it's, it follows pretty much the same all year round depending on what it is, but there are also some differences. So, um, the best example is Chequamegon. 27:28 So I typically race that single speed. Um, and so I will go do a 30 min- minute tempo on the hilliest roads I can find, which is 27:42 Fritz Road [laughs] off, you know, outside of Belleville, and then into, um, Verona. 27:47 And I do a 30-minute tempo there on the single speed on the mountain bike, uh, just to prepare for getting aero and then mashing up the hills. 27:56 Um, and I do that, you know, starting six weeks before Chequamegon, essentially. So that's, that's an example of, like, being very, very specific. 28:07 Um, certainly with these longer ones, like, we're, we're still trying to build, build the volume. And I think part of that is just, is confidence. 28:16 Um, if I go out and I ride four to five hours, well, then okay, I can make it to seven to probably 10 at Leadville, um, hours that I'll be in the saddle. So, um, 28:27 but typically during the week, it's, it's two, it's two hours on, in the saddle three days a week. Um, we really thrive off of structure. Um, so Mondays are always easy. That is... That's, like, sacred. 28:42 [laughs] Like- Yeah, that's like my off day... Mondays are easy day. Yeah. So for me, it's off. So that's the difference. Like, that's when I talk about volume. Volume. Corey will still ride for an hour easy on a Monday. 28:51 Now, that's, like, really easy. Like, he goes and gets our groceries over his lunch hour on Monday. Um, which I think kinda gets to the second... 28:58 You know, one of the other parts of the question is kinda what you were talking about, Stacy, is that efficiency. Like, we're just finding little nuances all the day, you know, all the time to make it work. 29:09 Like, I finished up my ride at the, at the, the oil change place, picked up our car, and then drove here. [laughs] So there's just all these little things that we get creative about, and it's kind of exciting. Um, 29:22 so that's the way we, we kinda get it done. And then Fridays are always, again, sort of a low day. Obviously, there's times- Prepping for big volume on the weekends... 29:30 big volume on the weekends, a drink on Friday night on the back porch. [laughs] I mean, um, so I mean, that, that structure has really been the thing that works for us currently in our life. 29:43 Um, so I get home, and every, you know, every night I'm home by 7:00. Um, our friend Christina, you know, I was always like, "Oh, I gotta be home by 7:00. That's when I turn into a pumpkin." [laughs] Um, and it's not. 29:54 [laughs] Like, that's when I actually have to go home and, like, get ready for the next day. And so, um, that structure is just really, really helpful. So we get home at 7:00, make supper, 30:05 we eat, you know, and then prepare for the next day. So that I think is the key to, to what we do and how we work currently. You and I would make good partners. 30:15 When she tells me she's going out at 6:00 PM, I'm like, "Oh, I can't do that" [laughs] "I'll turn into a pumpkin in an hour" Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Well, if you're getting up at quarter to 5:00- [laughs]... 30:25 you, you might actually turn into a pumpkin. But yeah, but otherwise, it's pretty... I think the training's relatively the same. Um- Just different watts and, and volume. Oh, God, yeah, definitely different watts. Yeah. 30:38 [laughs] Corey hits, you know, what I hit- Yeah, we j- just double... on my 20-minute tempo- Yeah... is, is endurance pace. Whole 'nother world. Yeah. Ridiculous. 30:45 Um, so what about intensity versus volume for these long ones? I would say that we generally always, we probably focus a little bit more on volume in general than intensity, but our volume is always quality. 31:02 I'm not just going out and-Pardon my language, dicking around. [laughs] Oh, girl, I know you can hammer. [laughs] I tried to do a road ride with her last year. 31:11 It was like- Oh, sh- she went on a cyclo-cross bike- I'm gonna-... and you were nailing it... I'm gonna puke. [laughs] [laughs] And that was being generous. I wanna see that. [laughs] She's- Wait, can we set the clock? 31:20 I'm like, "When are they gonna slow down?" [laughs] These, these girls, they just like, they're not slowing down. They're going in the wind. They're just like, waah. [laughs] Into the windy section was super... 31:29 I was like, "Dear God" [laughs] She's like, "Steena" I was drafted on that. I was like, woo. Plowing that. [laughs] Ooh, hard. Yeah. Um, yeah. So that's the thing is, like, there... Like, 31:41 it is volume, but it's quality volume. It's not- Purpose... it's not junk miles. It's always like, okay... And, and I measure that, right? You know, if I go out and I'm like, "Okay, yep, hit my wattage. 31:52 Wow, I must be feeling pretty good. My heart rate is like, you know, five beats lower this week than it was three weeks ago on this ride. 31:58 Okay, let's try to hit, let's try to move up the, that wattage a little bit next week" How do you get your plan? Do you have a coach, or are you lucky enough to have Corey, the Mr. Engineer numbers- [laughs]... freak? 32:08 Yeah. I, uh, it, I live, I live with my coach. Yeah. Yep. Um- For those of you who don't have- Get yourself one... your own camera... Yeah, w- get one. They're awesome. Mm-hmm. 32:19 Every woman needs her little enginerd cyclist. They're great. [laughs] Mm-hmm. They're little, but they're great. Um, [laughs] or, uh, one of the books that I read was, uh, The Cycling Bible by- Mm-hmm... 32:32 Joe Friel, which is really good. Yep. Talks about periodization. Which, which is where Corey got a lot of his, his basics. And to be honest, a lot of it also follows what we both had been taught as, as runners. 32:43 And a triathlete. Mm-hmm. It's a lot of the same stuff. Yeah. And then- But Joe Friel's, for real... he's awesome. And then, uh, the other one that I'm liking is The TrainerRoad. Um, 32:55 y- you know, it's structured for indoor workouts on the trainer, but when you look at their plans, they have different plans for, 33:02 uh, you know, maybe like a short track or the regular XC or marathon, and you can pick a plan. 33:08 And even if you're not doing them inside on the trainer, you can say, "Oh, well, you know, they're, they've got intervals for, you know, five eight-minute intervals at FTP or something like that" Mm-hmm. 33:18 And you can kinda do that on the road. You don't necessarily have to be on the trainer. So I've found that to... I'm not coached either. I just kinda have been- Well, it's working... 33:28 crafting it [laughs] over the last couple years- Yeah, well-... to know what works... I think that's a huge part, um, of training. And, uh, and I, for some reason, I feel like it is more, more important for women is, 33:42 is a little bit of that exploration and really getting to know yourself and your body and responding to it. Like, I have a cold right now. Sorry, listeners. [laughs] Like, my nose is, like, super nasally. 33:53 I, I wanted to get up and ride early this morning, and I was like, "Yeah, probably shouldn't." Like, I really want to, but I know that if I am nice to my body now, it's gonna be nice to me come August 10th. 34:06 That leads us to overtraining. Mm-hmm. Thank you for... Competitive women- Mm-hmm... and, and overtraining- Mm-hmm... and just being beat up. Like, how do you fend off the effects of owner- overtraining? 34:21 Well, uh, I think part of it is really [laughs] connected to that previous statement of structure. 34:25 So within that structure, you know, I have two easy or off days, depending on what, what the week looks like, built in every week, right? Like, there's always one day off or really, really easy built in. 34:40 So I think that's really helpful. The other kind of rule that we follow, follow pretty closely is no more than, no more than three weeks up with volume, right? So if you're crushing it and killing it for three weeks, 34:55 man, you better drop down that- Fourth week-... that fourth week... you back it down. Yep. Like- I mean, it's not like you're not doing anything. 35:00 You're, you're just easy spinning and still with, like, one, you know, decent effort in the, in the week and then maybe your weekend. But you're really- But the volume is less than half. Oh, gosh, yeah. 35:11 For, no, for sure. Absolutely. Less than half is- So-... is easy weeks... so to give you guys an example, um, for me, Mondays are always off. Mm-hmm. 35:19 Tuesday, I lift heavy weights, and so I'll do a really, really light, like, uh, just clean out the legs ride. Mm-hmm. And then Wednesday and Thursday are intervals. Mm-hmm. 35:30 You know, just structured, get it done intervals, usually on the trainer to make sure it happens. And then those evenings, I might go out for a lollygag ride with my girlfriends in the dirt for fun, right? 35:40 And then Friday is a really- Lollygags me. She's like- Yeah, right... turning your lights on. [laughs] Yeah. I know. You're like, "Wait a second. What?" I'm sitting right here, Leia. My brakes are burning. 35:50 [laughs] Now she's telling me not to brake. Uh-huh. You're like, "Oh, my God, but there's a corner there." [laughs] You know, and then Friday'll be a fun day, whatever- Yeah... I wanna do- Yep... but it's easy. 36:00 And then Saturday, Sunday are just, you know, those long, big rides. Mm-hmm. Whether it be on a mountain bike or the road bike, I'm finding hills. I'm finding epic trails, something really fun. Mm-hmm. Um, 36:13 you know, so on my big weeks, I'm doing anywhere from 12 to 16 hours. Yep. Right? And this is, this is at the Cat 1, you guys. So if, you know, if you're a Cat 2, okay, shave a couple hours off of that, right? 36:26 Cat 3, shave a couple hours. Yep. But on my fourth week, I mean, eight max. Yeah. It's like an hour... So on that easy week for me, g- my hours are about the same. Um, my Tuesday is not lifting, although it should be. 36:43 We gotta get you- I've been, I've been real-... doing some squats... I've been real inspired. Ooh. Oh, my God. Could you imagine? [laughs] Man. What'd be popping back here? Man, climbing- Mm-hmm... 36:50 that squat booty is for real. [laughs] I already... Um, I wish you guys could see my face right now. [laughs] I'm referencing my tuchus. Um, 37:03 I mean, so t- it's two hours on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, essentially with that, that quality mileage, and then big weekendsAnd on an easy week, it's, it's an hour on a Tuesday. Maybe I'm getting groceries. 37:17 Maybe I'm biking to meet a girlfriend. Um, and then maybe Tuesday or f- Tuesday or w- or, I'm sorry, Wednesday or Thursday of that week, like, maybe I'll pop out, like, a, a two-hour ride. So it is. 37:30 It's literally half compared to what it- Yeah... usually is. So the key is, like, get... You have to give yourself that week. Do not feel guilty for not getting- Oh, God, no... the training in. 37:39 And that's the problem with our, like, mental state is we're so competitive, and if we're not going as hard as we can on every ride, we're doing it wrong. No. I, I mean, we... 37:48 There's so many women that have been through this. Mm-hmm. I've been through this w- where we get to those days, like, you got nothing, and you just work harder and harder. 37:55 And you can't do anything, and it's so frustrating. Mm-hmm. And it's not that you're not fit. You are, just- You can't access it... stop, get off the bike. Yeah. 38:05 I think the other big too, the other big thing is taking, take, taking a good chunk off, you know? So particularly for, for myself, um, I still do dabble in running. 38:16 Like, I'm hoping to do a half, uh, marathon in the fall. Um, but we, we race kind of all year round, you know? 38:25 Um, it's fat bike, and then it's into getting ready for mountain bike, and then it, it's a little bit of cyclocross, and then it's fat bike. 38:34 So really it becomes so, so important after each of those seasons to take a week or two totally off, and be what we like to call in our house normal people. Yeah. [laughs] We're like, "Oh." 38:47 Like, go, go play tennis or something. Oh, my God. Like- [laughs] Come home and watch TV. Yeah. Like, that's fine. Who does that? [laughs] Tennis, that's an interesting one, Liz. [laughs] Um, great sport- I know... 38:58 but you could tear your ACL, I'm just saying. [laughs] Um- Been there, done that. That is... Yeah, that's exactly what she was thinking- Oh, yeah... when she brought it up. 39:04 But I'm talking about, like, literally, like- [laughs]... paint the house. Like, read a book. 39:09 Like, do all of those things that you want to do but you don't do because you're like, "I gotta go train 'cause I'm gonna go crush my goal." 39:16 And I think it kind of, again, like, thinking about the overtraining, again, that's really, like, pay attention to yourself. And if you don't know your body, stop and just try to listen and learn. 39:30 Don't plow through that shit. Because I think- Yeah, don't think you're tough by- I, listen-... getting through a workout when your legs are dead... so Cor... Yes, and, and, and anything in between. 39:38 Cory's been six for two, sick for two weeks, right? And Luke's a 99er. He was sick. And, and guess what? He's freaking fun. I was like, "Whatever. I got amazing immunity. I grew up on cow," [laughs] "... raw cow's milk. 39:50 I'm fine." [laughs] "I never get sick." And then here I am, and I'm like, "Son of a..." And I knew it was coming. Like, I knew, I knew Sunday night it was coming. I was like, "S- it's coming." 40:03 And then you start popping the Zicam. Like, don't, don't get... You know, like, just listen. Listen to it. And again, like, if you don't know what you're listening for, just pause and check every once in a while. 40:14 That's, I think that's huge because I think one of the differences that we do have as women is we carry way more stress, way more stress. 40:24 I think something like the National Institute of, of Health is like, oh, women report experiencing 50% more stress than men. All of that is... it culminates in your training. Right. 40:35 It's not like you're like, I mean- It affects your body. Yeah, totally. Stress totally [laughs] affects your body. It affects your immune system. It affects your ability to rest. It affects your ability to push it. 40:45 It affects your focus. All of that shit is really important when it comes to, to training and being the best at, athlete that you can be. Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Like, you can't be 110% everything that you're doing. 40:57 So for- Yeah, something's gotta give... for example, in, in, in my job, my busy time, uh, you know, for renewals and marketing is- For making bank... for making the money is- The beans... 41:08 is gonna be November, December, January, right? Mm-hmm. So, like, I gotta go all out in my job, so the training has to back off. Mm-hmm. Or else you're gon- everything's gonna blow up. Like, you cannot 41:23 be the best at everything that you do at all the time. Mm-hmm. It's like each part of your life has to... Mm-hmm. You gotta try and find a, a rhythm. 41:31 So if you're, like, super stressed out in your home life, maybe back off the, the pressure of the biking. Take a race off. Like, don't do the race you signed up for. Oh, shit. Take, take a month. 41:43 Get this other thing in order. Mm-hmm. Right? And then once that's in order, then cycle it back up. But don't... You know, you got so much stress. 41:51 Don't add that added physical and mental stress of like, "Oh, my God, now I have to try and win this race," or be the best I can be. I gotta go train. It's just you're gonna implode. Yeah, totally. 42:02 I mean, I think it is very much the idea of, okay, this is going full force right now. I'm actually just gonna use exercise as, as my outlet. I'm... It's not gonna be my pressure thing. Right. You know? 42:16 Like- Yeah, change, change- Yeah... the mindset. And that's my, that's my September and October. I work in higher education. Turns out when college students come back to, to campus, you get real busy. And so it works. 42:27 Like, I can push through for those final few weeks of schwamming it, but then it just doesn't, it just doesn't happen. And so... And I've, I'm okay with that now. 42:36 But it took me, it still took me a few years to be like, "Oh, yeah, September and October" This is the season, yeah. You know? If you can get out for, you know, some decent rides twice during the week, amazing. 42:49 And then- If not, it's okay- Whatever... 'cause, like- That's cool... job comes first sometimes, right? Like- Yeah, sometimes it does 'cause it turns out you actually need to pay the bills. 42:56 Yeah, you gotta make money to [laughs] support this habit. [laughs] Yeah. These bikes aren't cheap. [laughs] No, they are not. They are not. So- So that's a long que- long answer- Yeah... to a short question. No. 43:07 Okay, so the other one... Uh, so I got a couple more. Um, all right. Long endurance races, or even any races in general, I, I've, I've seen a lot of women, they are... Like, they get an A+ in training, right? 43:19 But then the day of the raceThey just l- like go dumb, you know? And they, like they can't get their head right. It's like the stress of the race just makes them explode, like they can't handle it. 43:35 And so th- the question is, like, what- what's your advice on getting the head game right the day before and the day of- Mm-hmm... a race? Mm. 43:45 'Cause it really sucks to spend five months training for a race- Busting your bum... and then you've put all the hard work in, and now the easy part is, like, lining up to the line. Like, why are you messing that up? 43:58 Mm-hmm. What are some tips to n- to, like, just do that one little final piece? Which is, like, the most important thing. The important one. Yeah. 44:08 I think it, I, I think it backs up quite a bit to what do you, what's your focus anyways, right? There's so many great races to be, to be- Mm... participating in. 44:18 And so for, for me personally, it's choosing your A race, and then the other races are, 44:27 are either gonna help you get to that A goal, or they are going to get you connected to your, to your community, and your people, and your girlfriends, um, or they're gonna help you build a specific skill. And that's it. 44:44 Like, it's not about, it's not about performing at that particular race. It's about, oh, this is, this race is for me to meet my A goal. So that, for me, like, that's really important. Um, I think there are, 45:00 are certainly a, a ton of people where it's like, "Nope, I, I go, and I love it," and that's great. I'm, I'm much more of a process. If you ever listen, listen to Payson- Mm-hmm... 45:09 Payson McElveen's, um, podcast, he will talk to his, you know, to, to other great riders or other great endurance athletes, and he'll say, "Are you, are you a racer, or are you, are you a trainer?" And I love the... 45:23 I, I do love the process. I love to race when it's my A race. I love to race when it's, you know, the, the B races, but those I'm very par... 45:32 You know, like, I d- I don't race a ton, and when I do it, it's for a particular reason. And the expectations are set for each race- Oh, yeah... for that specific goal. Yeah, totally. 45:41 Like, I hear Corey saying it all the time. I mean, he goes to a race just as a warmup to open the legs up for his next race. Right, or he's thinking about cyclocross. [laughs] I mean, you know- Yeah... 45:52 he's like, "Oh, I'm a few months down the h- road." And- So know the expectation and the- Mm-hmm... goal long before going in, and it's not every single [laughs] race to just bomb every one, 'cause you can't, you guys. 46:05 Experience here. Mm. Don't try to make every race an A race. But, I mean, but there are pe- I mean, there are people who love the racing, and they thrive off of that, and that's cool if that's you. That's not me. 46:15 You know, like, I'm, I'm totally for those, I'm totally for those racers. [laughs] And I'm, and I'm the opposite. That's the one thing I have not figured out yet. But you, but you're great 'cause you're an intense... 46:25 Like, your gift is intensity. Right. Like, that is- That is true. Mm-hmm... totally your gift. For sure. Right? Like, you- you've said it yourself, "I have the top end." M- Not this girl. 46:34 Like, I'm like, "I'll, I will come out and play" You're in for the long haul. "I will come out and play about three times a m- a year." [laughs] "And then if you see me other times"- But when you do-... "I'm okay"... 46:43 you murder it. Well- I mean, I've, I've learned- I don't know if I murder it, but- I've, no, I've learned from you guys. Like, you'll, you'll come out to a race, and I'm like, "She don't even... She's not even... What? 46:53 What's going on here" I just beat He- And, and then- I just beat Heather by [laughs] 35 minutes. Yeah. And then y- [laughs] And then you come out to your A race, and we're within, like, 20 seconds. 47:02 I was like, "Where did that come from? Oh, she had a mission, and it wasn't the other one." [laughs] It was not the other one, no. [laughs] So I mean, that... I think that's the, that's the backup. 47:13 But then I think when you're actually... When it gets closer to the race, I like to go to mantras. And then I like to go, one, it... 47:23 So whatever it is for that race, like sometimes the mantra is something I pick up, you know, that I've been thinking about, or something that I've really been focusing on, or something I know that is gonna be difficult in that race. 47:35 So it might be as simple as like, "Okay, turn the legs, turn the legs, turn the legs, turn the legs." Um, you know, it can be something else as like, "Be brave, be brave, be brave" You know? 47:47 So I, I kind of pick a mantra for, for each race, depending on not only what my goals are, but also what my focus are, and sometimes what my, my, quote-unquote, "weakness is." Like, let's, let's slap that bitch up. Up. 48:01 Right? Yeah. You know, let's get her out of here. Like, I am sick of not being a climber, so the first thing I'm gonna do on the first hill is I am gonna blast that sucker. Mm-hmm. 48:10 If n- That would, that would not be my route, but- If nothing else, just- [laughs] Killer for you... just to say that I can. Yeah. But you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I... 48:15 And don't, don't settle for a limiter. Attack it. Yeah. Yeah. And turn it into an advantage. Or not today. Yeah, not today. Not today. Not today. You know, whatever it is. 48:24 [laughs] So I come up with a mantra, you know, that I kind of refer back to. The other big thing is, like, when you're really, when you hit it, when you hit the dark spot, when you hit the doubt, is... 48:35 I, I think Kate Courtney has talked about this, and she's referenced it to her, her World Cup win, 48:40 is you focus on what you can do in the moment, and that's kind of, that's kind of what it's been, is like, "Okay, what can I do now? Okay, I feel like ass. What can I do? Okay, I can eat. Why am I feeling..." Okay. 48:52 So control the things that you in your own power can- Yep, control what you can control. What can I do now? Right. Like, that's the question I come back to, is what can I do now? 48:59 Okay, if that means, okay, well, you feel, you feel like trash, but there's a wheel you can catch up on, burn a match. Burn a match, Heather. Go after it. Um, and some t- and, and that seems to do it, you know? 49:15 At Lutsen, I started cramping actually at about... I didn't start cramping, but I could, I knew I was going to cramp. Like, I felt a twinge.Um, speaking of- I hate that. You know it's coming... 49:25 so, yeah, like- And you're like, "Oh"... knowing your body, that's what I'm talking about. I was like at mile 40, I was like, "What is this? This is not right." Does anybody have- "I don't-"... 49:32 a can of Pedialyte right now? [laughs] For the love of God. [laughs] Turns out it was my, my fit was a little bit off, which Isaac, uh, helped me with. 49:40 Um, so I, I'm, I'm hopeful that that'll prevent things in the future, but I was like, "Okay, well, what can you do now?" Well, turns out you can stop at every- Aid station... 49:50 every station and you're gonna eat a banana, and then you're gonna grab that, you know, those, those Clif, what the extra sodium, you know, and you're gonna make sure you have enough water. 50:00 So just kind of coming up with a game plan, and sometimes even as you're... Y- you know, if all you can do is come up with a game plan, that takes you, your mind- That's what I think... off of the pain. Yeah. 50:10 I, well, and I think a game plan is so important. So I, I come from soccer, and before every game, you know, visualization- Mm. Mm-hmm... is so underrated, and probably the most important thing. Yes. 50:23 So bef- so I, I used to visualize myself, like, doing a double scissors, tapping it to the right, and firing it into the upper 90. Like, you ju- you know, like, you, you played out different plays in your head. 50:36 And so in mountain biking, I think it's really important to try and pre-ride any trail, first of all, that you're, you're gonna ride. I know some of these long ones- Yeah... it's not gonna work I'm not doing that... 50:45 but a lot of them... with Black尾, sorry... a lot of them, a lot of them you can, and do it as much as, as you can. And then what you do is you see yourself riding the trail. 50:55 So at Camrock, I knew that trail, so I literally, Friday night, you know, when I went to bed, and then when I woke up on Saturday morning, or race day, I played out the entire race in my head. 51:08 And then I had an A, B, and C plan. Yes. Okay? Yes. So have- Yes, yes... so have your plans worked out, so when A doesn't work, you're not freaking out. I know. 51:18 So these are just ways to, to set yourself in a good place so y- you know, your head is in the right place. 51:26 And again, it's like the things you can control, and you focus on, on that versus, you know, the nerves in your stomach where you're just like, "Oh." Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, some people paint their nails before a race. 51:40 Like- Rhyme them... something that calms you down. I think, um, really good nu- nutrition the day before and the day of. I might not eat very good all the time, but I am on point the day before- Mm... and the day of. 51:54 You know, making sure you just, like, do all those things right leading up to it, the hydration, knowing the course, uh, knowing hopefully a little bit about your competition, and having a game plan. Mm-hmm. 52:06 You know, so you can go in there and you're like, "Yeah, I'm gonna... I got this thing," versus, "Eh- Yeah... what am I gonna do?" And like- And, you know, and again, the expectations too. Like, 52:17 don't go in necessarily, "Okay, I'm gonna, you know, wanna crawl in a hole and die if I don't win" if, if, if you're not in competition for that. Like, don't necessarily go after the fastest person, right? 52:31 Like, I used to pick people off one by one, you know? I'd pick someone, I'd be like, "Okay, she's the one I'm after now" Yep. And then, "She's the one I'm after now." Yep. You know? Or do I wanna get third? 52:42 Do I wanna get a podium in my age group? You know, y- you know, those types of things, and make sure those goals are realistic, or else you're just gonna be disappointed. Yeah. 52:52 I think, I think you hit on another important thing. You said a A, B, and C game plan, and I also think an A, B, and C goal is really important. Yeah. Goal number one, live. [laughs] Just live, right? 53:04 Like in any race, it's like just live to see tomorrow. Just finish. [laughs] Just finish. Yeah, walk, walk out of this thing- Yeah... without a broken hamstring. [laughs] Yeah, yeah. 53:12 I mean, truthfully, it is like, okay, A goal is, like, lightning in a bottle. Don't crash. [laughs] Right, like, that's like this would be an amazing result. 53:19 Yes, I could do it, but shit's gonna have to go real, real good. Real perfect. Yeah. And B goal, like, that's the, that's the really realistic goal. 53:28 Like, that's a I know my competition, I know a little bit about this course, if you're not able to pre-ride it. I know about my fitness. This is probably what I'm capable of. That's what I'm going for. 53:40 And then your C goal actually might be live. [laughs] Yeah. Or you're gonna make it. Walk home from this- Yeah... alive. You know, don't, you know, don't X, Y, and Z, um, or whatever it might be. 53:52 So I think that's the other thing is- And-... is being thoughtful about your goals... 53:55 this is, this is interesting that you guys are talking about this, because somebody coming new back into things, I don't know what the competition is. Yeah. I was standing down at the bottom of the Camrock Hill. 54:03 I don't know- No idea... who anybody is. I'm like- Who that?... I'm pointing at... Like, I'm, like, eyeing people off. [laughs] Like, okay, you know, who's faster than who? Trying to figure everything out. 54:12 I have no clue. So I mean, really my goal, it was... I had an A or a B goal. It was either, like, p- podium, that's what I wanted. Podium or finish. That was it. There was, like, no in between. No in between. 54:23 Like- Well, and you came up with the B one. I know, right? And you weren't as stressed because you, you had realistic expectations. 54:29 You can't come back to your first race and be like, "Yeah, I'm gonna do it- I'm gonna win overall... overall," or be pissed if you don't. Y- y- but, you know- But, you know, you s-... you had it in line right. Right. 54:36 And then someone coming back, it's like that's kind of the mentality I was in, is picking people off, because I don't- Oh, yeah... know any better. It's just like, all right, the next one. 54:44 All right, do I, how much energy do I wa- waste? [laughs] How much energy do I use to pass this person? You know, is it worth it? Do I just stay here? Nope, I gotta go. Yeah. 54:53 You know, the making those decisions is, after coming back, it's, it's hard. You're not, you're not sure, um, when to make the move. When, when's the right time? Do I do it still? Am I still on that? Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. 55:04 Well, that is- So what do you guys do- Figuring all that out... when you're in the middle of the race and you are deep, deep, deep into that cave, and you are in a dark place, and there's just, like, a lot of pain? 55:17 [laughs] What do you do? Like, what's going on in your head to keep going, to push past it? Because everybody knows in biking, like, I line up to the start of every race and I'm likeGod, I'm about to be in so much pain. 55:32 Like, why do I do this? Like, this is gonna hurt so bad. [laughs] Which is what makes you such an amazing- [laughs]... amazing rider and athlete who's just killing it. But what, what do you do to push through that? 55:44 I'm gonna put myself in that position. Oh, please. That's it. Oh my gosh. It's- Are you kidding me? I was, like, running into things. Like, that last lap, I don't... I didn't have enough to eat. 55:52 I needed a goo or a gel or something. I needed something. I didn't, I didn't take it with me. I'm like, "Oh, these w- this water bottle'll be fine," and I didn't have that. 56:00 And I w- that last lap, I was running into things. You were in la la land. Yeah. [laughs] I was running on the trail. I was like, "What is wrong with me?" Like- Oh, low blood sugar. Yeah. 56:07 I shouldn't be doing this right now. Turns out. [laughs] Like, you're about on the verge of passing out, you know? [laughs] Yes, exactly. I'm like, "Just finish. Just finish. You got this." 56:14 Yeah, so it was- Like, the vision is going. Yeah. Like, next time I need to take something with me, [laughs] for sure. I always err on the side of caution with food and nutrition. Mm-hmm. 56:25 You know, like, I know that being light on the bike is super key. Eh, I'd like an extra 100, 100 calories in my back pocket if I could tolerate it. No, you're smart. I... 56:35 It, it's been years, and I still haven't got that. There's been two races- Ah, it's hard... already this year that I've bonked out so hard and just had to fight through the bonk, 'cause I didn't have enough nutrition. 56:44 Yeah. It's so dumb. Like, when are you gonna learn that? Yeah. Just, like, bring extra. Yeah. Bring extra. It's better to have more than not enough- Oh my gosh... really. Yeah. And a goo pack, it's a goo pack. 56:51 I know, right? You know? Like, maybe it's not the best me- Like, whatever. Just have it. It works. Yeah. It's, it's 100, 100 quick cals. But what do you... What's going on in your head in the dark place? 57:01 [clears throat] It'll get better. And I think part of... Like, that's what's going on in my head. It'll... This is part of it, that this will get better. 57:10 And I think that for me, like, part of that is a very big difference between running and cycling. Running, you're just... You're out. Like, there is no easy run that's going to take it off of your legs. 57:24 With running, it's sorta... Or, with cycling, it's very much like, again, what can I do now? And knowing it'll get better. Okay, you're in it, Heather. This sucks. This hurts. You don't feel good. You... 57:35 Whatever it might be, it'll get better. What can you do now? Like, I just go back to those, those things. I go back to... I- if it's mountain biking in a very technical race, I go back to the basics. 57:48 Okay, He- you know, like [laughs]... Focus on cornering. Yep. Yep. Get your bike, bike, bike- Get your rear tire over the rock... bike, bike-body separation. Okay. Look, look where you wanna go, you know? 58:01 Find the tangent. You- whatever it is, I go back to the basics. Even if it's like, okay, this kills me right now. I just... I can't put the power down. Okay, I'm gonna down, I'm gonna downshift, and I'm just... 58:12 I'm gonna turn so I can keep on moving and still make- Just keep your legs moving. Yeah. Yeah. I mean... 58:16 And, and I think part of that is the mantra too, where it's like sometimes you're just like, you know, progress, progress, progress. Don't... You know? And it... 58:23 And I think that's the other thing is, like, it's not the don't do. It's the what can you do, because I think even that can open up some negativity. But, you know? 58:32 And then sometimes it is just like, all right, well, I'm gonna pop another gel right now. I just, I just start singing. [laughs] Like, whatever song was in my head during the pre-ride in my, my headphones. Yeah. 58:43 I have no idea. [laughs] A distraction. A distraction. [laughs] It's so funny you said look where you go- wanna go. Like, I do that. I'm like, focus, focus, focus. Like, where am I looking? Where am I going? Mm-hmm. 58:52 I do that. I say it out loud too. Yeah. Especially if I'm scared or nervous. Like, if I say it out loud, it just makes it better. Yeah. I think the other thing too that I do is, like, I ju- I... 59:02 This is gonna sound very crunchy, but it's true. I just try to be in that moment. And, like, practice some gratitude. Pain is gasoline, baby. You know? Like, it, like... 59:15 The, the biggest part that I hurt in Lutsen 99er, I was just very much like, "Wow, it's just gorgeous up here." [laughs] "Can you believe that this place exists?" 59:27 [laughs] Like, look at that perfect robin egg shell blue sky and these trees, and oh my God, is that a little pine I smell? You know, but that's also like- Pine is the best. [laughs] I have to tell you. Very good. 59:39 [laughs] So I'm... I mean, I come by that pretty naturally. I'm a pretty positive Patty versus a negative Nancy. But that's the other thing is I, I do, like, okay, this sucks, but holy moly. 59:50 Do you remember those six months that you couldn't bike at all? Yeah. You couldn't- Yeah... you were on crutches. Like, remember that. Like, you get to be out here. And this is the day that we've been waiting for. Yeah. 59:58 And we... You know, pain in that situation- This is part of the game... that's good. Yeah. This is part of the game. Sometimes- You're ready for this... before all of the technology, 1:00:08 I always knew I wasn't going fast enough and, and if I didn't feel pain. So that... Like, I didn't base heart rate or power or watts or speed or any of that. It was just I would go until I'd feel pain. 1:00:20 Girl, are you finally using a power meter? [laughs] Not in the races, but like- Heck yeah, she is... on a, on my cross bike I do. Yeah. Oh, don't even... Ugh. [laughs] It's like, it is... 1:00:30 No wonder you're so fast on the road. My gosh. [laughs] Um, all right. Well, thank you guys so much for coming on the show today. This has been super awesome. And, uh, so yeah, thank you. 1:00:41 But let's, uh, take a quick break, and when we come back, it's, uh, total world gnome domination. Da da da. 1:00:48 [upbeat music] Welcome back. It's my favorite part of the show, 1:01:06 current affairs. Current affairs. [laughs] Gomez got a Wahoo? Wahoo. Is he getting techy? You did? Wahoo. Yeah. Um, I pitched a story to Wahoo about teaching a baby boomer, uh- Ah... 1:01:24 how to use a GPS computer. Yes. How to integrate a GPS computer into their daily cycling life, and I are that baby boomer. [laughs] That is brilliant. That's awesome. Nice work. See? I'm very impressed. 1:01:37 Well, I worked on a Gen X over here. Oh, for sure. Ms. Sherry, and she's got it down now, so.I'm sure we can- You know, you can't-... like get you tuned in. 1:01:45 Wait, you can't bike on it though unless you're using a program. You can't just bike. Well, you have a Wahoo co- computer that you put on your bike when you're actually riding it outside. 1:01:54 Which it's, essentially the Wahoo- Which is different-... is replacing the Garmin... from the trainer. Oh, gotcha. Yeah. I don't have that yet. So your Strava right now is off your phone. Right. Right. 1:02:02 But you can't just like get on your bike and bike. You have to be on a program. With- Like on the trainer. Right. Yeah. I tried that. It didn't work. And you guys were talking about, uh, about training programs. 1:02:17 Wahoo just bought Sufferfest Training Software. Oh. Oh. They just bought that company, so they'll be offering training programs through the Wahoo. That's cool. There's so many resources now- Yeah... for training. Um, 1:02:33 I mean, just find one and stick [laughs] and stick with it, right? Oh, for sure. There's so many. What's the virtual one that you can see yourself riding on a road? The Zwift. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1:02:41 So what's your next race? All right. Uh, I am... My next A race is the Order Shore. I'm gonna just, I'm just gonna put this out there- Yeah, put it out there... and this is a bold fucking statement. A... 1:02:53 I wanna win this bitch. [claps] [laughs] All right. I am, I- Sick and tired. I have gotten... I have crashed out. I have gotten flats. My bike, mechanicals, bike seat's going off. 1:03:07 I've gotten seventh, fourth, third, and second, and it is time- About time... to throw down. So it's in five weeks. It's coming up. I'm going for it. Come on out 'cause I'm coming at ya. Woo. 1:03:22 [laughs] So, um- I love it... I was gonna do the Wars Alpine, uh, the Wars Cup this weekend, but it was like freaking raining. And- I was really proud of you, by the way... like forget it. I'm done with that. 1:03:31 I'm not in the series. I don't need it. So I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna do training sessions for Order Shore. So the next five weeks are like completely dedicated to training specifically for that race. 1:03:44 I am totally learning from the Stellji over there. And, and you're going down to the Palos Meltdown- Yeah... to- Which I am using... to sharp-shoot those, those fibs. [laughs] Yes. As a warmup. 1:03:57 [imitates gunshots] Hey, hey, Illinois, in case you wanna come up to Marquette, Michigan, here's what you're gonna get a taste of. [laughs] Yow. No, but I... 1:04:05 But literally, after, uh- It's a perfect example of periodization... 1:04:09 but after Cory had his interview about how he used one of the Wars races to warm up for the Lutsen, I immediately was looking up races that were going on the weekend before. 1:04:20 And I didn't choose the Wars La Crosse because it isn't a similar course. It's, it's just like up and down. Yeah. And a, a lot of tight single track, where Order Shore is wide open. Mm-hmm. 1:04:29 Well, the Palos course is much flatter, and it's more like 20 miles. So it's like, oh, warmup race. Yeah. Yeah. And it actually has buried nuclear waste on the course. So don't drink the water. [laughs] Yeah. 1:04:42 Bring your own. Bring your own. Bring your own. But, but don't worry. I might... You know- The government put a big concrete... Like, they poured concrete- Super foods... all over it. I'm gonna drink that. 1:04:50 Maybe I'll turn into Superwoman or something. Ooh. [laughs] I was thinking that, that that was your super power is your, uh, "I'm dying-" It's chlorine in the water... quest to kill everyone. 1:05:03 [laughs] Well, not kill them, just beat them. No. But yeah. I think that's a, also a great example too where it's like, I mean, yes, La Crosse isn't great, and like I feel like Wars would be real easy to slip into- 1:05:18 Well, that was my issue-... like over zealous-... last year-... bit. Yeah... is I was trying to, you know, dip into some of these endurance races- Yeah... but I kept racing all the Wars. Yeah. And 1:05:29 it, it, it's too much tapering. Yeah. Like, you can't train the way you need to longterm- Race... for these one-off races like you and Cory do and do a full season of short XC races. It's just, it's not gonna work. Yeah. 1:05:45 So- Or, or you can, but then you- You pay the price. Yeah, or you just are like, "Okay, well, I'm, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna use the Wars race as like an effort between a big ride. I'm gonna warm up for an hour." 1:05:57 Yeah. "I'm gonna cool down for an hour." And even then, like you still have to hold back from like, oh, I'm gonna- All out... I'm gonna dig myself a hole. Which is hard for an A-type personality- Yep... 1:06:08 that has to put the pride aside and be like, "The mission here- Yeah... is not to win. It is to prime- Yep... for something else." Prime the pump. Prime the pump. Yeah. So I'm like making it go in. 1:06:19 [laughs] I've been watching. I noticed you didn't race last week. [laughs] I was like, "Leota. Yeah, yeah." Learning. "She got it." So Shery, where's your next race? Um, I'm going to Waukesha. Yeah. For the Wars. 1:06:32 For the Wars. Yep. In two weeks, right? Next weekend. Not this weekend. The following weekend. Right. Yep. Yep. Minooka County Park. Minooka. And I've never ridden there before, so it'll be fun. 1:06:41 There's big piles of rocks there. Is there? Yeah. Hmm. It's a nice tight, ti- It's, it's, it's a tight course. Tight. It's a good course. It'll be good for you. Good. And no buried nuclear waste- [laughs]... 1:06:52 that we're aware of. [laughs] So if you are at Minooka for the Wars race, find the blondest, prettiest girl in the Broken Spoke pink, and she'll have, uh, little coupon cards for Elements Massage. 1:07:10 [laughs] Yes. I'll have three little kids running beside me and- [laughs]... easy to spot. Bright pink bike, right? Yeah. And a husband in, in red, white, and blue. [laughs] Exactly. And then Heather. Where? 1:07:23 Where, where are you bringing your, uh, your one-person show? You're... Actually, you're, you're like a couple show. It's like- Yeah. We're galloping out into the west. Oh, yeah? Yeah. 1:07:33 So we're headed over to Leadville, uh, August 10th to do the Leadville 100. So soon. Starting at- Five weeks... 10,000 feet. Ooh. It starts there. Yeah. Uh, it goes up to 12,000 in elevation, and I think there's 22... 1:07:49 There's a ton of climbing. I don't wanna totally quote. So do you have like an oxygen tank in your CamelBak? [laughs] I've been considering it. [laughs] Are you bringing like your book for, for autographs? 1:07:57 Because that's a, a race where you could rub elbows- Yeah... with the likes of Dave Wiens or- [laughs] I don't need an autograph... or, or Lance- I'll just unzip my jersey. [laughs] Just bring my tattoo gun. Yeah. 1:08:09 Just gonna unzip that, pull down the old brassiere and be like, "How about here?" [laughs] I'm just kidding. Um-[laughs] Sorry, I'm thinking about rock stars, you know? Uh, no, so we're headed west and, and doing that. 1:08:22 And, um, that... I mean, that's really the f- that's, that's pretty much the focus. Uh, the other focus has been getting the bike ready. So I stopped by Neff Cycle Service yesterday for a, a little smidge on the fit. 1:08:35 Um, you make some changes there to, to make the old bicycle real dialed. And, um, that... I think that's the, the big part there that we'll be focusing on is minim- you know, I think those... 1:08:49 I think that's the other thing when you're doing endurance and you go to those dark spots is, like, do I have... Have I done everything that I could? Okay, yep, get my bike- You did... get my bike fit to precision. 1:08:59 Yes, I did everything I could. Did I do a little bit of research on some different nutrition so I don't cramp? Yes, I did. Whatever it might be, so. Pickle juice. Yeah. I can't wait to hear how that goes. Oof. 1:09:12 So exciting. Well, just remember my sea- my seagull, "Come back alive." [laughs] What about, what about you, Gomez, the token man in the show? Let's hear it. 1:09:19 [laughs] Well, I'm looking forward to- His, his role is managing the-... learning how to work my Wahoo. Wahoo. [laughs] Wahoo, Wahoo. 1:09:26 [laughs] So, I, I was like, so we, we should- They definitely need to sponsor the show after this. [laughs] Yeah. We should, we should do a skit. All eight of our listeners are- Oh, my God... gonna go buy a Wahoo. 1:09:34 [laughs] I know. They're great. We should- Courtney, Courtney uses a Wahoo- They're amazing. I like it... on the Wahoo c- computer. I said we should, we should do a skit where Leia tries to teach me how to do the Wahoo. 1:09:44 [laughs] And she's like, "Oh, my God, that would be so funny" [laughs]... because I have no idea. Ryan does it all for me. No, because you would ask her... 1:09:52 Yeah, because you would ask her a bunch of questions she wouldn't know the answer. [laughs] I would give you Ryan's phone number. [laughs] So it turned out that Leia's gonna borrow me, uh, Ryan for a while. 1:10:02 [laughs] Great. And I'm gonna have a private tutor. [laughs] So it's gonna work out pretty good. Wait, I do have a question. So when you're outside with the computer, with the Wahoo computer, it figures your wattage? 1:10:12 If- If you have, like, power pedals. Power pedals? Yeah. Yeah. Or, or, like, a power tap on your crank arm. We- So y- it's more spending. [laughs] It's big spending. Yeah, yeah. To be honest. Yeah. Yeah. 1:10:26 All right, now the fun- And, and right now you can't get it on you... I guess with power pedals you could do it on a fat bike. I mean, I have a cadence, have I? You could. That's different. Different. 1:10:32 But there's, there's a prototype now. It w- I saw a tech bike. Like, I don't put the pedals on my mountain bike or my fat bike 'cause there's- Yeah... you know, you gotta unclip- No... and stuff. I only have it... 1:10:41 I use it on the road. Mm. But- Wait, so the W-... with the Wahoo computer you don't have to have power, you just don't monitor power. You, you go by heart rate. Heart rate. Yep, the old-fashioned way. 1:10:51 And, but, but the thing is, you've been- Well, the old-fashioned way still has a- Yeah... it still has a really important role. Mm-hmm. You know? I'm hoping for some sort of biorhythm chart. 1:11:00 [laughs] So I can be, like, chart my moods and... [laughs] They have an app for that, Gomez. Yes. [laughs] What? [laughs] I'm hoping to measure- Kate Courtney uses some app. [laughs] Yeah. 1:11:10 What is that where it, it- To track her heart? No, it, it, it, like- I thought it-... tells her how she's feeling or something. Yeah. [laughs] Based on her sleep- Yeah... and the training and all that. 1:11:19 Oh, we need to get this app. Yeah. And then there's another... Like, I follow... So here's the other thing, as a female athlete, get yourself Instagram and follow- Oh, you've gotta- Follow your heroes... 1:11:30 you gotta follow Jolanda Neff, Annika Langvad, uh, Kate Courtney, Emily Batty. You guys- Speaking about training... find these women online. And you, you know what else you do? 1:11:41 You go to Red Bull TV and you watch the UCI World Cup races are phenomenal. Like, if you're on a trainer or you wanna get pumped up for something- Mm-hmm... you watch these women race, and they are badass. Yeah. Yeah. 1:11:57 Oof. This is a really good point- Super exciting... because Leia's- You need heroes... Leia's gonna send me all those links and all those names. 1:12:03 [laughs] [laughs] And we're gonna have those in the show notes, and you'll be able to actually click on there- It's so sweet... and then just- It's free... click follow. It's Red Bull TV- Yeah... 1:12:09 on your phone or on a computer. And it, it is awesome watching. Yep. 'Cause right there, that was, that was a good nugget. Yeah. Or that was a good way to go. Just throwing nuggets at you ladies. Way to go. 1:12:19 Nuggets left and right. And guys too. Way to go. You should watch them too. Way to go, host of the show. Yes. 1:12:22 [laughs] Yeah, because that's the thing is with, with Kate Courtney, she said, "You know, after I, I won, like, all of a sudden I didn't just ride good for a girl." She just rides good. "I rode good." Yeah. 1:12:32 "I rode good." And she's like, all of a sudden... I mean, she's a, she's an attractive person. I mean, you could apply just any sort of ratio to her face. 1:12:39 She's, she's a, she's an attractive human being, and she wasn't just a pretty biker anymore. She was, like, a pretty biker who's pretty good for a girl on the trail. She was just a kickass cyclist. Yeah. 1:12:50 She could just nail that. She's not one of the best in the world for women, she is one of the best mountain bikers- Yeah... in the world. Yeah. Out of all mountain bikers. Right. And we gotta stop losing that, right? 1:13:00 I mean, World Cup Soccer. Yeah, look at the women- I mean, all these things, like, why are we gonna sneak it back down?... throwing down. Er- Like, let's earn some more. It's crazy. Uh, this... 1:13:09 Okay, this is another topic for another week. [laughs] That's, that's how to just snort, snort huge lines of coke. [laughs] [laughs] It's a huge party here. That's not coke. Finally. [laughs] We'll never tell you. 1:13:24 Finally, it's Pepsi. No, uh- [laughs] Now we're finally, we're getting to the point what I really wanted to talk about, which was the double standard. And, and... 1:13:34 But, you know, I can't really talk about it, but you guys are getting into it. And we're an hour and [laughs] 20 minutes into the show. [laughs] Yeah. I mean, it, it can be saved for another show. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1:13:43 But it's definitely something that needs... should be talked about, um... Yeah, no big deal if a football play- Oh, how many times are we gonna get married? 1:13:51 You know, if a male swears and says something or celebrates or does his dance. Well, if, if a guy celebrates, he's a freaking hero, and if Megan Rapinoe celebrates, she's arrogant. Yeah. Well, you know what? 1:14:01 Like, I am so tired of, you know, this, this whole thing where, "Be a good g- little girl. Be quiet, little girl. Stay your place in line, g- little girl. Be happy, but don't celebrate too loud." Nope. 1:14:15 "Do good at work, but don't have too big of a voice." I mean, I am-Over it. And I feel like a lot of the women have been getting kickback on that even now, and it's like, it's time to fight back. 1:14:28 I'm sorry, at the Borah Epic, I was in a line. I was like fourth person back to get into the single track, and I freaking swiped in front of these dudes to get my place. And they started yelling at me. 1:14:43 "Ah, you're cheating. What are you doing? Wait in line." Are you freaking kidding me? Be-... You know why that was, is 'cause I'm a lady, and they're thinking, oh- You got a ponytail... I'm gonna... 1:14:53 She's gonna have to s- she's gonna slow me down. She's gonna slow me down, so we gotta bitch at her. But you know what? I talked to like six dudes. I didn't tell them the scenario. 1:15:02 And I was like, "Look, if you were out to win a race and you were up against a bunch of dudes, and the, the key is to get into that single track first, would you wait in line to get into that single track first, or would you fricking pop off as many people as you could?" 1:15:13 Pop them off. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. That was the answer from all of them. And I said, "You know what? I did that, and these guys were whining like fricking babies. You know what? 1:15:22 Oh, and guess what, dude, none of you guys saw me after that. You didn't come and pass me. You didn't catch me. I was right where I belong- Uh-huh... in front of you. 'Cause guess what? I'm in it to win a race." 1:15:33 Like, I get if it's a mass start and you're not in to win it, like, fine, wait in line. 'Cause the dudes, they're like 50 people back, right? But because I'm a woman, they're, they were yelling at me. 1:15:45 And it is like, it like got in my head during the race. And I was like, "I'm gonna show these fricking guys." Dude, I took off on them. [laughs] That's awesome. But that's the thing. 1:15:53 It's like, okay, so the Women's World Cup, the, the women win. You gotta find something to bring them down. Yeah, you can't just celebrate that shit. You know? Like, you can't just celebrate. 1:16:02 You gotta f- "Oh, well, don't celebrate too much" or, you know. It's like, give me a break. Men's World Cup. This girl 12-0. Oh. Oh, she won. Well, yeah, she j- she jumped in line in front of me. You... 1:16:12 Dude, you weren't... You, you were like 10 minutes behind me by the end of the race. Like, come on. [laughs] Also, if you wanted to be ahead of me, just push it. Like, yeah. Like, sorry. Throw the jets on. 1:16:21 I mean, I'm, you know, I'm not the best, I'm not the best skills rider. And so it's a very different experience for me because I'm sort of like, "Oh, yeah, sorry. Oh." You're like... Well, you're like- Like, ooh... 1:16:30 you might be like, "Okay, you can go by." Like, you, you, you know. Yeah, but if I, if I pass you later on in the flat section... I don't get mad at you for that. I don't get mad at you for that. 1:16:41 [laughs] And then also, like- I get passed on flats all the time... or if, and if I get, if I get into the single track before you because I can put it down... That's not your fault. Not my fault. That's my fault. Yeah. 1:16:53 Yeah. Sorry, dude. Maybe you should practice more. [laughs] Maybe you should... You know what? Maybe you should put down that keg of beer. Whatever. I don't know. Maybe you should get a Wahoo with some power meters. Ooh. 1:17:00 [laughs] Yeah. Uh, you can really tell the difference, though, between, um, men coming up on them, s- people who will, like, they know you're coming up on them. They'll let you by, you know. 1:17:10 And then other men, you come up on them, and you're obviously faster, and they just don't wanna let you by. And it's so frustrating. Definitely you can tell- Yeah... a difference between. 1:17:18 She's got all kinds of tactics to get by them. [laughs] Ooh, oh, I know. She might not wanna, she might not wanna tell you, but- I'd be like, "Dude, you let me by, I'll get you a beer at the end." [laughs] There you go. 1:17:29 I mean, most of them are nice, but you get those guys who don't wanna let you by. So I, I think- And those, the not nice guys are not usually the ones who are, like, killing. I mean- No, not at all. Yeah. 1:17:37 It's not- And the thing-... just like an ego fest. Yeah. Whereas, um, so in the Wars races, y- I, like, the Cat One guys, I race with them all the time, so they know me. So when I come up, you know, they part the way. 1:17:48 It's like it's s- they're so cool. But, you know, in these mass starts- Yeah... they don't know you. They just think you're, like- Do you, do you have, do you say like race-... slowing them down... 1:17:56 do you say like race leader and stuff? 'Cause I know that... I hear- The dudes say it. I know the dudes say it. Yeah. Yeah. They should know. And, and they, like, they make fun of each other. 1:18:06 They, they give each other a hard time about it. [laughs] Anyway, like, you know. So what I'm... 1:18:13 My suggestion is- But the thing is, the, the thing is, and the double standard is, like, if a dude did it, it's part of the race. Yeah. But a woman did it, so, oh, beh, beh, beh, beh, beh. Yeah. That's true. 1:18:24 You know, cry me a river. That is the double standard. Yeah. And I think we should have a double standard ladies show- [laughs]... on the next episode- Yeah. So we're just teasing you-... of- Double standard... 1:18:33 the Shred Sisters-... version of the Dos or Fat... so if you have opinions on this or... You know, I, I just talked to a girlfriend today who works in the industry, and she is so funny. 1:18:42 This happened on, on today, like, right before the show. She was going nuts about, like, at her work, she's working so hard, and she's changing things, and she's loud and she's outspoken. 1:18:53 And, um, definitely not getting the proper credit, yet she's a, you know- She's bossy... she's bossy, she's bitchy or whatever, but she's getting the job done. But yet if she was a dude- We like the way you-... 1:19:07 she would be, you would, you'd be golden... we like the way you are a direct communicator. Yeah. You're a great direct communicator. Yeah. Um, so I, I was like, "Oh, man, you, you just came at me with that." 1:19:16 So I, I think there's a lot going on that we can cover in, in, like, in different areas, like in the industry, during races. You know, and then there's the equal, like the payouts. 1:19:26 I mean, that's a whole nother thing we could get into. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I'd say hit us up with some of your thoughts on that. Maybe we get into that some other time if we're ever welcome back. 1:19:40 [laughs] It might take, it might take two bottles of wine. Well, geez. Exactly. Well, good Mo- good, [laughs] good golly, Miss Molly. [laughs] Thank you to our fabulous guests, Heather and Sherry. 1:19:51 Thank you so much- Thanks for having us... for coming on. Yeah, what an honor. Thanks for having us. What an honor. Yep. Shred Sisters- What an honor... spilling it all today at, uh, fatbikeradio.com. 1:20:01 And, uh, today's show has been brought to you by Elements Massage. 1:20:05 Experience the difference of our month-to-month membership program, the Elements Wellness Program, and our guarantee, the Elements Promise, all built around our therapeutic, handcrafted, and personalized approach to massage that we call the Elements Way. 1:20:22 Check us out on Instagram at fat-bike.com. 1:20:28 [upbeat music]
